Comments Thread For: Canelo: Mayweather-Pacquiao Really Hurt Boxing, Especially PPV

[Motorcity Cobra]

After Floyd vs. Manny these are the PPV fight that happened

Floyd v. Berto

GGG v. Lemieux

Canelo vs. Cotto

Canelo vs. Khan

Bradley vs. Pac III

Crawford vs. Postol

Canelo vs. Smith

Pacquiao vs. Vargas

Ward vs. Kovalev

GGG vs. Jacobs

Klitschko vs. Joshua


Which one of these fights were hurt by May vs. Pac?

The only fights that should've been PPV were Canelo vs. Cotto and Joshua vs. Klitschko. And both of those fights were a success. May vs. Pac didn't hurt PPV. Promoters putting any and everything on PPV hurt PPV.

[bigdunny1]

How do you think the casual fan watching Fury vs. Klitschko felt coming away from that fight?

Casual fans didn't have to pay 100 bucks for that fight. Waiting a long time for a fight has existed in boxing forever. This was different from tickets, to ppvs they completely ****d the consumers. And then delivered a horrible product. It looked like the fix was in and Floyd and Manny were in on it to just rob the public. Now I agree Floyd should not be the only one to take the blame sure go ahead blame manny too for not trying, the entire shoulder fiasco, etc. But it hurt the sport opened up boxing to a lot of people to give it a try and many left saying this is why I don't phuk with boxing. Boxing was better off the day before the fight then it was the day after. That's just a fact and the numbers prove it. Boxing will rebound it always does but they been digging out a hole since that night.

[Verus]

What part of "the fight won't happen any earlier than September 2017" do you not understand? Golden Boy could have offered 100 million, Alvarez was still ducking the fight for at least a year.

Ducking means you won't fight period. GB offered a bunch of money for a September fight. Would you prefer that the fight would have taken place when GGG was in his prime at age 25 and Canelo was 17?

[Butch.McRae]

After Floyd vs. Manny these are the PPV fight that happened

Floyd v. Berto

GGG v. Lemieux

Canelo vs. Cotto

Canelo vs. Khan

Bradley vs. Pac III

Crawford vs. Postol

Canelo vs. Smith

Pacquiao vs. Vargas

Ward vs. Kovalev

GGG vs. Jacobs

Klitschko vs. Joshua


Which one of these fights were hurt by May vs. Pac?

The only fights that should've been PPV were Canelo vs. Cotto and Joshua vs. Klitschko. And both of those fights were a success. May vs. Pac didn't hurt PPV. Promoters putting any and everything on PPV hurt PPV.

Exactly! It's really not hard to understand lol all this pointless analysis, when the answer is clear.

If people actually go check the history of PPV a guy like Canelo will never get 1 million buys without a legit dance partner.

There have only ever been four true 1 million buy PPV stars in the history of the sport; Tyson, Oscar, Floyd, and Manny(although less consistent than the other three).

The rest of the PPV buy history is full of 300k fights or lower, with only a half dozen or so exceptions; where the fight was a big deal competitively.

This reminds me of the Tiger Woods problem in golf. He had so much success that people think a golfer is only successful if he wins a major.

Floyd moved the bar so far financially in boxing that people now have unrealistic expectations about how PPV buys are supposed to work. Go check Oscar's numbers, Tyson's numbers, Manny's...Floyd just had a crazy run where all his fights cleared 900k buys for like 8 years straight. That's not realistic. Nobody ever did that.

Canelo's numbers actually aren't that bad in comparison to history, but people thinks he's supposed to do mayweather numbers. That's not realistic, unless he's in a competitive fight.

There are huge boxing stars that couldn't sell any PPVs. Just Google "Pay Per View" and look at the data on the wiki page. Learn something people.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Casual fans didn't have to pay 100 bucks for that fight. Waiting a long time for a fight has existed in boxing forever. This was different from tickets, to ppvs they completely ****d the consumers. And then delivered a horrible product. It looked like the fix was in and Floyd and Manny were in on it to just rob the public. Now I agree Floyd should not be the only one to take the blame sure go ahead blame manny too for not trying, the entire shoulder fiasco, etc. But it hurt the sport opened up boxing to a lot of people to give it a try and many left saying this is why I don't phuk with boxing. Boxing was better off the day before the fight then it was the day after. That's just a fact and the numbers prove it. Boxing will rebound it always does but they been digging out a hole since that night.

The article said boxing and PPV. Casual fans also didn't have to pay $100 for Joshua v. Klitschko. Their ratings stateside were lower than Fury v. Klitschko. Did Fury v. Klitschko (which did respectable ratings post May-Pac) hurt heavyweight boxing?

[rrayvez]

Yes the fact that mayweather vs pac was uneventful hurt boxing but it's not like Canelo is saving boxing with his last 3 ppvs. 2 of his last 3 opponents in khan and Chavez jr haven't held a world title in about 5 yrs and the only one that did in Liam Smith was the worst champion in his division by far.

[bigdunny1]

The article said boxing and PPV. Casual fans also didn't have to pay $100 for Joshua v. Klitschko. Their ratings stateside were lower than Fury v. Klitschko. Did Fury v. Klitschko (which did respectable ratings post May-Pac) hurt heavyweight boxing?

The fury fight wasn't on ppv, it was on regular hbo most casuals didn't watch it, if they did they went in assuming it would suck because the heavyweight division was mocked as being garbage anyway. Only die hard fans in the US cared about that fight. Try going to your office water cooler and talking to anyone about that fight. Meanwhile everyone saw or talked about the floyd/manny fight. It wasn't free if you had HBO you were extorted 100 bucks for it. And that left a mark. I try to talk boxing and get a co-worker to watch a boxing match 6 months after that and 5 mins in they bringing up that fight and saying how much boxing as a sport sucks. NOBODY was saying that after the Fury fight.

[bigdunny1]

Yes the fact that mayweather vs pac was uneventful hurt boxing but it's not like Canelo is saving boxing with his last 3 ppvs. 2 of his last 3 opponents in khan and Chavez jr haven't held a world title in about 5 yrs and the only one that did in Liam Smith was the worst champion in his division by far.

But none of those fights were boring or labeled "that killed boxing". All those canelo ppvs yoi mentioned had entertainment all ending in knockouts with whoever bought a ticket or paid for the ppv entertained. For example GGG I clown him but the last thing I say is his fights are bad for boxing. Overpricing the floyd/manny fight and the shyt show that went on was the opposite of entertaining and turned off a lot of fans. Guys who were on the fence left boxing and guys who gave boxing a chance left that fight saying phuk this sport. Die hard fans we could care less about this but to casual fans that matters.

[MDPopescu]

... I don't care what that fight did to PPV in boxing...

My poor late wife actually woke up at 6:30 AM in order to watch the fight... in my country it was on cable TV...

[Lester Tutor]

The article said boxing and PPV. Casual fans also didn't have to pay $100 for Joshua v. Klitschko. Their ratings stateside were lower than Fury v. Klitschko. Did Fury v. Klitschko (which did respectable ratings post May-Pac) hurt heavyweight boxing?

What were the breakdowns from Joshua vs Klitschko? I know the consolidated metrics of all the networks together was 10+ mill