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Find me any heavyweight boxer who was roughly the same size as Mike Tyson overall (in terms of height, reach and weight) or smaller who had the level of success and accomplishments against modern sized heavyweights (200 + Pound boxers).
Past 'heavyweight' boxers like Joe Frazier and Rocky Marciano when they were fighting opponents below 200 pounds, accomplishments or success against such opponents don't count. Modern heavyweight is redefined and the new standard is minimum 200 pounds. Any success of past heavyweight boxers against opponents below 200 pounds will be considered a cruiser weight or light heavyweight accomplishments by modern standards.
Find me the average size (height, reach and ESPECIALLY WEIGHT) of their opponents and we'll compare those to the average size of Mike Tyson's opponents.
Also find me the average size of their opponents relative to themselves. This means by what margin were they outsized by. So for example, Mike Tyson at 220 pounds was outweighed by Frank Bruno who was 248 pounds. The margin is 28 pounds of weight difference.
Also, let's compare their KO percentages against modern sized (especially weight) opponents on average. Who had a higher KO percentage against modern (200+ pound) heavyweights. Also, who had heavier KO victims / opponents that they knocked out more frequently on average, both relative to themselves and overall. So if Mike Tyson at 220 pounds knocked out an opponent 250 pounds, then that's knocking out someone 30 pounds heavier relative to himself. Whereas for Joe Frazier to equal this, he'll have to KO someone that weighs 235 pounds (assuming he weighs 205 pounds). Pounds for pound, they'll then be equal but Mike Tyson will be better in an ABSOLUTE sense.
Let's also compare their speed of KO. Who scores the knockouts quicker between those boxers on average against similar sized / weighted opponents pound for pound and in an absolute sense.
Otherwise, Mike Tyson will have to be considered the greatest P4P and inch for inch heavyweight in history. No other boxer gave up the same amount of height, weight and reach advantages on average as frequently as Mike Tyson did and still accomplished as much as he did in terms of knockout percentage, knockout speed and the quality of wins.
Saying Mike Tyson is overrated because he couldn't accomplish what much bigger super heavyweights could is one of the most ******ed arguments one can come up with. That's a bit like saying a 5'5 150 pound that can lift more weight than anybody his own height and weight is overrated because he can't lift as much weight as a 300 pound man.
Also, saying Mike Tyson has no heart, courage, balls or bravery is also one of the most ******ed things one can say. You have a guy who is as small as he is (below average size overall), but willfully and purposefully makes the decision to fight at heavyweight, knowing that he'll be outsized in every department in near every fight but is still willing to take the risk, chance and opportunity to fight in the heavyweight division against much bigger opponents, but somehow he is meant to be heartless, courage - less and etc? So if what Mike Tyson did takes such less heart, why isn't any other top boxer his height and reach competing at heavyweight? Surely, it should be easy for them since it doesn't require much heart. So why haven't they also jumped at the opportunity to compete at heavyweight? The answer is, what Mike Tyson did required not just heart, but extraordinary heart. Other boxers his height don't even have the heart to even compete at heavyweight. However, he had the heart to compete and give it his all (despite his limitations and shortcomings in the end). People seriously can't overlook how small Mike Tyson was and how much he accomplished relative to his size despite being such a small heavyweight.
There's every chance that Mike Tyson may have not even been a natural heavyweight. He may have had to artificially increase his weight by working out / exercising, developing extra muscles to become a heavyweight. If that was the case, he deserves even more respect. I say this because there aren't anybody else that I'm aware of that are Mike Tyson's height who are as heavy as 200 pounds naturally with barely any fat on them. Also, the extra muscles on Mike Tyson's body doesn't seem like they were already there naturally without him having to workout to build them. It's highly unlikely anybody will have bulky muscles like that without working out. So chances are, Mike Tyson worked out to build them and would likely be below heavyweight if he didn't workout.
So either Mike Tyson put in the effort to purposefully build his muscles to compete at heavyweight, which he deserves credit for willfully and purposefully taking the risk of fighting much bigger men despite being naturally much smaller. Or, he was naturally as big, which makes him an ultra incredibly special athlete, not just a boxer but an overall athlete for having characteristics that very few, if not anybody else has.
How could anybody claim Mike Tyson wasn't great when he was bringing attributes nobody else was at heavyweight if that was the case? If he wasn't great, then why aren't other guys his own height coming up to heavyweight and accomplishing similar things or performing similar feats? We have to appreciate how great of a boxer and athlete Mike Tyson truly was by taking those things into consideration if we're being objective.
Past 'heavyweight' boxers like Joe Frazier and Rocky Marciano when they were fighting opponents below 200 pounds, accomplishments or success against such opponents don't count. Modern heavyweight is redefined and the new standard is minimum 200 pounds. Any success of past heavyweight boxers against opponents below 200 pounds will be considered a cruiser weight or light heavyweight accomplishments by modern standards.
Find me the average size (height, reach and ESPECIALLY WEIGHT) of their opponents and we'll compare those to the average size of Mike Tyson's opponents.
Also find me the average size of their opponents relative to themselves. This means by what margin were they outsized by. So for example, Mike Tyson at 220 pounds was outweighed by Frank Bruno who was 248 pounds. The margin is 28 pounds of weight difference.
Also, let's compare their KO percentages against modern sized (especially weight) opponents on average. Who had a higher KO percentage against modern (200+ pound) heavyweights. Also, who had heavier KO victims / opponents that they knocked out more frequently on average, both relative to themselves and overall. So if Mike Tyson at 220 pounds knocked out an opponent 250 pounds, then that's knocking out someone 30 pounds heavier relative to himself. Whereas for Joe Frazier to equal this, he'll have to KO someone that weighs 235 pounds (assuming he weighs 205 pounds). Pounds for pound, they'll then be equal but Mike Tyson will be better in an ABSOLUTE sense.
Let's also compare their speed of KO. Who scores the knockouts quicker between those boxers on average against similar sized / weighted opponents pound for pound and in an absolute sense.
Otherwise, Mike Tyson will have to be considered the greatest P4P and inch for inch heavyweight in history. No other boxer gave up the same amount of height, weight and reach advantages on average as frequently as Mike Tyson did and still accomplished as much as he did in terms of knockout percentage, knockout speed and the quality of wins.
Saying Mike Tyson is overrated because he couldn't accomplish what much bigger super heavyweights could is one of the most ******ed arguments one can come up with. That's a bit like saying a 5'5 150 pound that can lift more weight than anybody his own height and weight is overrated because he can't lift as much weight as a 300 pound man.
Also, saying Mike Tyson has no heart, courage, balls or bravery is also one of the most ******ed things one can say. You have a guy who is as small as he is (below average size overall), but willfully and purposefully makes the decision to fight at heavyweight, knowing that he'll be outsized in every department in near every fight but is still willing to take the risk, chance and opportunity to fight in the heavyweight division against much bigger opponents, but somehow he is meant to be heartless, courage - less and etc? So if what Mike Tyson did takes such less heart, why isn't any other top boxer his height and reach competing at heavyweight? Surely, it should be easy for them since it doesn't require much heart. So why haven't they also jumped at the opportunity to compete at heavyweight? The answer is, what Mike Tyson did required not just heart, but extraordinary heart. Other boxers his height don't even have the heart to even compete at heavyweight. However, he had the heart to compete and give it his all (despite his limitations and shortcomings in the end). People seriously can't overlook how small Mike Tyson was and how much he accomplished relative to his size despite being such a small heavyweight.
There's every chance that Mike Tyson may have not even been a natural heavyweight. He may have had to artificially increase his weight by working out / exercising, developing extra muscles to become a heavyweight. If that was the case, he deserves even more respect. I say this because there aren't anybody else that I'm aware of that are Mike Tyson's height who are as heavy as 200 pounds naturally with barely any fat on them. Also, the extra muscles on Mike Tyson's body doesn't seem like they were already there naturally without him having to workout to build them. It's highly unlikely anybody will have bulky muscles like that without working out. So chances are, Mike Tyson worked out to build them and would likely be below heavyweight if he didn't workout.
So either Mike Tyson put in the effort to purposefully build his muscles to compete at heavyweight, which he deserves credit for willfully and purposefully taking the risk of fighting much bigger men despite being naturally much smaller. Or, he was naturally as big, which makes him an ultra incredibly special athlete, not just a boxer but an overall athlete for having characteristics that very few, if not anybody else has.
How could anybody claim Mike Tyson wasn't great when he was bringing attributes nobody else was at heavyweight if that was the case? If he wasn't great, then why aren't other guys his own height coming up to heavyweight and accomplishing similar things or performing similar feats? We have to appreciate how great of a boxer and athlete Mike Tyson truly was by taking those things into consideration if we're being objective.
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