Prime Iron Mike versus Joshua or Wilder today

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  • Flash13
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    #121
    Tyson with Rooney was so fantastic. I felt that Tyson was close to unbeatable. Tyson would ko Wilder brutally.

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    • KillaCamNZ
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      #122
      I don't think there's any question that a prime Tyson would walk through Wilder - he'd have Alabama's finest doing the stanky leg like one of those southern rappers in a music video with a $400 budget.

      AJ, better chance than Wilder.

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      • TonyGe
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        #123
        Originally posted by Mike D
        If they scheduled a prime Mike Tyson versus Joshua 3 months from now, and then Mike against Wilder 3 months after that -- who wins and how
        I've only seen a couple of fights by Joshua and Wilder. I thought Joshua
        looked solid avainst Klitschko untill he got rocked. It took him a while to recover. Not good against a guy like Tyson. I'd pick Mike. Wilder I've seen in a few fights barely remember them. Not impressed. Mike again.

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        • JimRaynor
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          #124
          Tyson would steam roll both of them.

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          • Elroy The Great
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            #125
            Originally posted by robertzimmerman
            You're entitled to your opinion mate, but there's nothing logical about favouring Wilder over Mike.

            He has the power to take out anyone in history, but he just doesn't have the technique needed to have given him the opportunity.

            Stylistically, Mike would have been a horrible match up for him.
            thats what makes for good debates. i see wilders reach and height to offset mikes hand speed. mike is very explosive but also very predictable in his movements on his way in. mike was able to get away with this because his early opponents were too scared to trade with him.

            they both have power. also, id see wilder tying mike up whenever he tried to get in close.

            on top of that, we know mikes heart isnt as dependable as his chin when things get rough. imho, mike would have to ko wilder to win. i wouldnt see that happening.

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              #126
              Originally posted by robertzimmerman
              How on earth could their opponents be on the same level?

              Mike fought:

              Tony Tucker
              Michael Spinks
              Trevor Berbick
              Larry Holmes
              Frank Bruno
              Pinklon Thomas
              Donovan Ruddock

              Deontay Wilder has fought:

              Bermane Stiverne
              Malick Scott
              Audley Harrison
              Chris Arreola
              Artur Szpilka
              Eric Molina
              Gerald Washington
              shot tucker (was merely ok in his prime)
              spinks (see tucker. it was spinks payout fight)
              berbick was an absolute joke
              holmes himself said he only took the fight because of the money. over a year off and his 1st fight back is prime tyson ?!?!?!? PURE cash grab.
              bruno, meh. all muscle, NO GAME PLAN.
              pink was ok but he rather did his crack than be a serious champ.
              razor was also ok. probably his ''best'' wins. then again, morrison was able to end him too.

              after looking at these opponents, youre right. as horrible as i think tysons opponents were WHEN HE FOUGHT THEM, wilders are worse. i was hoping bermane was the goods but we all saw how that went.

              i would say each would kill the others opponents.

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              • Tom Cruise
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                #127
                Just gonna drop this here...

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                • ironmt
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                  #128
                  It would most likely look like this. Neither Joshua nor Wilder would have a chance.

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                    #129
                    Mike would make them look like clumsy amateurs.

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                    • Mr Objecitivity
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                      #130
                      Originally posted by robertzimmerman
                      Of course Mike would had a chance to have beaten those guys.

                      He wouldn't even have had a punchers chance?

                      What the hell are you talking about?
                      Mike Tyson was far too small of a heavyweight to be anything more than a nuisance to SKILLED super heavyweights (heavyweights above 6 foot 3 and significantly above 230 pounds).

                      Not sure if you knew this, but Mike Tyson's knockout percentage dropped significantly as his opponents became heavier and bigger. Even against bummy and journeymen opponents, but more so skilled opponents. The same punches that were knocking out lighter bums cold like Marvis Frazier were at best, tickling or itching much heavier bummy or journeymen opponents like Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride. Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride were both able to nearly walk through Mike Tyson's hardest, most powerful flush landed punches whilst showing minimal effects.

                      This proves Mike Tyson lacked the physical strength and abilities to generate the punching power required to KO opponents of such size. I guess that was Mike Tyson's limit / plateau (which is still higher than any other heavyweight boxer in history that was Mike Tyson's size). Mike Tyson hands / fists were too small, his body was overall too small, his body was too fragile and weak to be able to KO opponents after they reached a specific size. There's a reason why Mike Tyson failed to KO Danny Williams with his hardest punches and instead, ended up injuring himself. It's because his body was just too weak and fragile to generate the punching power required to KO someone of Danny William's or Kevin Mcbride's size. Whilst trying his absolute best to throw and land his hardest punches, Mike Tyson's fragile and weak body just gave up on him and he ended up injuring himself instead of knocking out Danny Williams.

                      Keep in mind, I've just mentioned BIG bummy opponents that Mike Tyson struggled to KO. It'd become even worse for Mike Tyson if I mention BIG + SKILLED opponents. Not only would he struggle to KO such opponents, he would also struggle to be anything more than a nuisance. I can't see any version of Mike Tyson having any success against either Klitschko brother and a peak Lennox Lewis. I can't honestly imagine Mike Tyson even having the ability to score to KO those guys even if he did land his hardest punch. Just the way I see it!

                      Mike Tyson's power wasn't that GREAT against much heavier opponents. Even against smaller opponents, it wasn't just his power but his offensive skills that allowed him to score those knockouts. However, his offensive skills became redundant in terms of scoring knockouts as his opponents became much heavier and bigger. That's because he simply lacked the power to KO such opponents, even though he had the offensive skills to get into positions to consistently land his hardest punches.

                      Even worse, his skills and power became almost moot against skilled + bigger opponents like Lennox Lewis because not only was his power redundant, but so was his offensive skills and abilities to even get himself into positions to land his power punches in the first place. As a smaller boxer, Mike Tyson was usually much more skilled than heavier opponents when he was young so he could make up for his lack of size against those heavier unskilled opponents using his superior skills. However, against opponents like Lennox Lewis or Klitschkos who are arguably just as skilled, Mike Tyson simply isn't able to overcome his lack of size using his skills because his skills aren't that much higher, if higher at all than those guys.

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