Comments Thread For: Indongo Must Face Lipinets Next or Vacate IBF Title

[asgarth]

No, he can't wait. The mandatory is overdue. He's been the mandatory for a year now. The fight with Chisora was an IBF eliminator and he won fair and square. Why should he have to keep waiting when he's already waited a full year to get his title shot after being named the mandatory?

Im just going by boxrec, so the source could be wrong, but under the Pulev, Chisora fight info you can read:
"Voluntary IBF Heavyweight Eliminator for #2-ranking"

That's for the #2 ranking spot, so not actually a final eliminator.

[original zero]

Im just going by boxrec, so the source could be wrong, but under the Pulev, Chisora fight info you can read:
"Voluntary IBF Heavyweight Eliminator for #2-ranking"

That's for the #2 ranking spot, so not actually a final eliminator.

It doesn't matter. In the IBF, if nobody fights an eliminator for the other ranking, you become the mandatory. The IBF waits for no man. #2 has to fight #1 for the mandatory but if nobody has the balls to become #1, then #2 automatically becomes the mandatory.

[Eff Pandas]

I think it matters when they rank the right guys, like they did with Khan and Bradley, but than one or the other does'nt want it. Can't see how you can blame the ABC groups for that. That happens pretty regualr. I agree that it is'nt just the fighters, but the bigger names have a lot more pull than the average Joe Blow ranked 15th when it comes to opponent selection. The fighters are not blameless in this.

Idk what the Khan & Bradley thing is even about. But if people decline a title fight that's on them. Then the next guy down is the "mandatory" in a mandatory fight 4 title universe.

If that's about some IBF type rule where any two dummies ranked by some other abc rankings dummy logic can just decide to fight each other & suddenly be the #1 or #2 ranked guy then I'd say the biggest problem there is that that's even a rule at all. Its ******ed that the #7 & #9 guy can fight & suddenly they jump to #1 or #2. Assuming they still do that which they may or may not.

I'd also like to see the bs logic cut out of rankings & have EVERYONE ranked. So the WBC champion would be the #1 challenger for the IBF, WBA & WBO title perhaps for example. Then there would always be a chance to unify. Plus anyone who's about to fight for some other title would never be un-ranked by another belt either. That's how non-dumb stuff happens in rankings too.

Any particular abc groups rankings should be looking like indie rankings not somehow have Sadam Ali or Sam Eggington in their top 10 or whatever silly stuff like that could be going on at present time. No legit rankings should have Ali or Eggington in their top ten in a reasonable indie top ten-like 4 belt boxing world.

[original zero]

If that's about some IBF type rule where any two dummies ranked by some other abc rankings dummy logic can just decide to fight each other & suddenly be the #1 or #2 ranked guy then I'd say the biggest problem there is that that's even a rule at all. Its ******ed that the #7 & #9 guy can fight & suddenly they jump to #1 or #2.

#7 & #9 can only fight for #2 if everybody in front of them turns down the fight. The fight is offered, in order, to everybody in the IBF rankings. If #3 says no, it's offered to #4. If #4 says no, it's offered to #5. They go on down the list until two people say yes.

I'd also like to see the bs logic cut out of rankings & have EVERYONE ranked. So the WBC champion would be the #1 challenger for the IBF, WBA & WBO title perhaps for example. Then there would always be a chance to unify. Plus anyone who's about to fight for some other title would never be un-ranked by another belt either. That's how non-dumb stuff happens in rankings too.

Why would you rank people that don't want to fight for your title? What sense does that make? The WBC ranks the top 15 fighters willing to fight for the WBC title. The IBF ranks the top 15 fighters willing to fight for the IBF title. Etc.

If they did what you're proposing, the rankings would be filled with people who don't want to be ranked and the champion would have nobody to fight. The champion only has 15 fighters to choose from (often only 13 in the IBF). If you clog the rankings with uninterested or unavailable fighters, you can't have any title fights. What you're proposing would be an absolute disaster.

If champions want to unify, they can unify. Not ranking other champions has nothing to do with it. The WBC ranking the WBA champion #1 accomplishes nothing because the WBA champion isn't going to accept the mandatory position and the 30% of the purse bid that comes along with it.

You're living in a dream world and don't understand how this business works.

We have four organizations because that is what everyone wants. The fighters. The promoters. The managers. The networks. Everybody. They want options. They want access to world titles.

It's up to the fans to reject the IBO, WBO, WBU, etc. It's up to the fans to reject the IBF.

And the WBA should be rejected as well until all super titles are eliminated.

Which leaves the WBC. Which has always been the real title anyway, going back to the IBU/NYSAC/etc.

[DreamerUSA]

Idk what the Khan & Bradley thing is even about. But if people decline a title fight that's on them. Then the next guy down is the "mandatory" in a mandatory fight 4 title universe.

If that's about some IBF type rule where any two dummies ranked by some other abc rankings dummy logic can just decide to fight each other & suddenly be the #1 or #2 ranked guy then I'd say the biggest problem there is that that's even a rule at all. Its ******ed that the #7 & #9 guy can fight & suddenly they jump to #1 or #2. Assuming they still do that which they may or may not.

I'd also like to see the bs logic cut out of rankings & have EVERYONE ranked. So the WBC champion would be the #1 challenger for the IBF, WBA & WBO title perhaps for example. Then there would always be a chance to unify. Plus anyone who's about to fight for some other title would never be un-ranked by another belt either. That's how non-dumb stuff happens in rankings too.

Any particular abc groups rankings should be looking like indie rankings not somehow have Sadam Ali or Sam Eggington in their top 10 or whatever silly stuff like that could be going on at present time. No legit rankings should have Ali or Eggington in their top ten in a reasonable indie top ten-like 4 belt boxing world.

The IBF had contacted Bradley and Khan to have an eliminator for Brook's strap, as they were ranked 1 and 2 at the time.(Like 2 years ago) For whatever reason someone declined and we end up with Bizier and JoJo Dan as mandatories for Brook. And again that is'nt an anomoly. It happens often. So from the sanctioning bodies perspective. What is the point of even ranking the guys if the fighter or their team or whatever does'nt want the fight?

As for the rest of your post, I'm in agreement. Why I posted here to begin with because essentially Lipnets got his mandatory spot being the 8th ranked guy fighting the 7th ranked guy. Its dumb as ****.

[original zero]

Why I posted here to begin with because essentially Lipnets got his mandatory spot being the 8th ranked guy fighting the 7th ranked guy. Its dumb as ****.

it's not true. it was #3 vs #4, with meant they were the top two fighters in the rankings since 1 & 2 were vacant.

who was a better fighter at the time willing to fight an IBF eliminator? nobody.

[DreamerUSA]

it's not true. it was #3 vs #4, with meant they were the top two fighters in the rankings since 1 & 2 were vacant.

who was a better fighter at the time willing to fight an IBF eliminator? nobody.

Yes and the fight prior they were ranked 7 and 8 and neither fought a guy in the IBF's top 15. So why did they magicly jump to 3 and 4? Lipnets has exactly one win over a top 15 guy in the IBF rankings. That earns you a mandatory slot? I find that silly.

[original zero]

Yes and the fight prior they were ranked 7 and 8 and neither fought a guy in the IBF's top 15. So why did they magicly jump to 3 and 4? Lipnets has exactly one win over a top 15 guy in the IBF rankings. That earns you a mandatory slot? I find that silly.

if the people ahead of you turn down the fight or are unavailable, you move up. there's nothing magical about it. the IBF goes down the rankings in order and offers opportunities to everyone, in order. they can't force fighters to say yes.

boxing is the most corrupt sport in history (worse than wrestling). so when you eliminate the corruption like the IBF has, what's left is a bunch of nobodies because the stars prefer the corruption.

[Eff Pandas]

The IBF had contacted Bradley and Khan to have an eliminator for Brook's strap, as they were ranked 1 and 2 at the time.(Like 2 years ago) For whatever reason someone declined and we end up with Bizier and JoJo Dan as mandatories for Brook.

Idek how that makes sense. If Bradley agreed & Khan declined then they should go down the list from there. Bradley shoulda been fighting Bizier or JoJo Dan worse case. See that's why this sh^t doesn't even make sense as they play it.

So from the sanctioning bodies perspective. What is the point of even ranking the guys if the fighter or their team or whatever does'nt want the fight?

Well like I said I'd argue that random top 15 guy vs random top 15 guy to mandatory contender thing is f#cking dumb from the start.

If anything I'd suggest you have a legit looking top 3 to top 5 that can fight each other & be the mandatory. If no one agrees to fight then there isn't a mandatory at all if we want guys to earn a mandatory fight.

But when you got guys in the 8th position who don't even deserve to be #8 fighting the #10 ranked guy who doesn't reasonable deserve his spot either for the #1 & mandatory spot idek how that makes sense to anyone even the abc groups.

As for the rest of your post, I'm in agreement. Why I posted here to begin with because essentially Lipnets got his mandatory spot being the 8th ranked guy fighting the 7th ranked guy. Its dumb as ****.

Agreed as f#ck.

I'm a big Lipinets fan & I'm rooting for the guy to get the fight or a vacant title shot on a fan-level while realizing its a completely bs structural move with the landscape of the sport as a whole & just a problem that the sport works under this illogical bs.

[original zero]

Idek how that makes sense. If Bradley agreed & Khan declined then they should go down the list from there. Bradley shoulda been fighting Bizier or JoJo Dan worse case. See that's why this sh^t doesn't even make sense as they play it.

Arum works almost exclusively with the WBO. He was never going to allow Bradley to fight in an IBF eliminator.

Well like I said I'd argue that random top 15 guy vs random top 15 guy to mandatory contender thing is f#cking dumb from the start.

If those are the best guys willing to fight for the IBF, then those are the best guys willing to fight for the IBF. Nobody is telling you that you have to consider the IBF the top organization.