Comments Thread For: Indongo Must Face Lipinets Next or Vacate IBF Title

[SteveM]

The IBF (like the WBA) were exposed as being 100% corrupt from top to bottom, literally selling rankings and selling title shots. I'd rather have a sanctioning body enforcing the rules across the board, making fighters earn their rankings in the ring, keeping titles active, etc, over what we had before.

The problem with honest regulation and enforcement is that the stars want special rules. So Joshua was happy to fight for the IBF when he was still an up and coming contender, but now that the's a the #1 draw in the division, he's going to prefer whichever organization will bend the rules for him the most.

Which is why that IBF title is most likely winding up in the trash yet again.

Pulev is not the worst mandatory but I have a problem with JoJO Dan, Bizier and Wade which are just a waste of time.
Everybody going on about how great last weekend's fight was for boxing. Even the WBA and IBF must have made a boat load more money than they routinely do. So the obvious thing to do is have a rematch or another unification - Pulev can wait - as 'Pandas' has pointed out his record is far from impressive since he lost to Klitschko - only the Chisora fight has any kind of meaning whatsoever. I'd have Pulev fight Whyte as an eliminator.

[original zero]

Pulev is not the worst mandatory but I have a problem with JoJO Dan, Bizier and Wade which are just a waste of time.

Then don't fight for the IBF title to begin with. The rules are very clear. Win an eliminator for a top two ranking. Fight the winner of the other eliminator to earn a title shot. If nobody agrees to the other eliminator, you still earn your title shot.

The quality of the IBF mandatories shows you the quality of fighters willing to fight under the rules of the IBF. The big stars are going to prefer opportunities with other organizations willing to bend the rules for them. The IBF bends for nobody. It's poetic in a way. The rules are the rules and whatever happens happens. Doesn't matter what would make the IBF the most money. All that matters is the IBF keeping their word to their fighters and stripping those that don't keep their word.

It's the most honest and fair system possible. Unfortunately, stars don't want honest and fair. They want preferential treatment. Which is why the IBF title will continue to be vacated over and over.

Everybody going on about how great last weekend's fight was for boxing. Even the WBA and IBF must have made a boat load more money than they routinely do. So the obvious thing to do is have a rematch or another unification

It's the obvious thing to do if your goal is to make as much money as possible, but that isn't the IBF's goal. The IBF's goal is to be as fair as possible. Klitschko has lost his last two fights. There is no justification for him leap frogging the IBF's mandatory a second time.

- Pulev can wait - as 'Pandas' has pointed out his record is far from impressive since he lost to Klitschko - only the Chisora fight has any kind of meaning whatsoever. I'd have Pulev fight Whyte as an eliminator.

No, he can't wait. The mandatory is overdue. He's been the mandatory for a year now. The fight with Chisora was an IBF eliminator and he won fair and square. Why should he have to keep waiting when he's already waited a full year to get his title shot after being named the mandatory?

[DreamerUSA]

Indongo is being protected from Lipinets.

The IBF is doing the right thing. Lipinets has EARNED his title shot.

Lipnets is obviously the mandatory, but what has he done, exactly, to "earn" his shot. He has one win over a someone ranked in the top 15 in the IBF rankings. Nevermind a top 15 JWW. I love how the IBF enforces their mandatories, but they really need to work on how people get ranked by their organization.

[original zero]

Lipnets is obviously the mandatory, but what has he done, exactly, to "earn" his shot.

Knockout the IBF's highest ranked fighter in an official eliminator to crown the next mandatory challenger.

I love how the IBF enforces their mandatories, but they really need to work on how people get ranked by their organization.

What better way is there to rank people other than having them fight each other for the top rankings?

[Eff Pandas]

Lipnets is obviously the mandatory, but what has he done, exactly, to "earn" his shot. He has one win over a someone ranked in the top 15 in the IBF rankings. Nevermind a top 15 JWW. I love how the IBF enforces their mandatories, but they really need to work on how people get ranked by their organization.

Yea I'd actually be sh^tting on abc groups a whole lot less if their rankings made sense & allowed fights among other title holders to always come first no matter what.

That's what a legit 4 title belt regime would be doing if they were actually thinking about boxing over sanctioning fees or other bs that don't matter.

[DreamerUSA]

Knockout the IBF's highest ranked fighter in an official eliminator to crown the next mandatory challenger.




What better way is there to rank people other than having them fight each other for the top rankings?

Heres the thing though. If you look through the IBF ratings, they were ranked #7 and #8. Then each guy fought someone who was'nt even in the IBF's top 15 rankings, but somehow after that they are both magicly the top two guys in the rankings. Seems odd to me.

[DreamerUSA]

Yea I'd actually be sh^tting on abc groups a whole lot less if their rankings made sense & allowed fights among other title holders to always come first no matter what.

That's what a legit 4 title belt regime would be doing if they were actually thinking about boxing over sanctioning fees or other bs that don't matter.

I agree, but it can't all be laid at the feet of the ABC groups. Fighters play a part in that as well. Khan in the last couple years has **** on opportunities as a high ranking fighter in the IBF and WBC. I'm sure the organizations tire of ****ing with some of these guys knowing they are going to do what they want anyways. It does'nt excuse them, but it is still a factor.

[original zero]

Yea I'd actually be sh^tting on abc groups a whole lot less if their rankings made sense & allowed fights among other title holders to always come first no matter what.

The IBF's rankings usually make sense. It's the top fighters currently interested in fighting for the IBF. The top available fighters meet in eliminators. If you turn down an eliminator, you move down the rankings. Very simple. Very fair.

The reason the IBF rankings often don't have top fighters is because top fighters don't want to be IBF champion. They want to be champion of an organization that will break the rules for them.

That's what a legit 4 title belt regime would be doing if they were actually thinking about boxing over sanctioning fees or other bs that don't matter.

The IBF regularly enforces rules that result in LESS money for the IBF. So no, it's not about sanctioning fees. 3% of Joshua-Klitschko II is a LOT MORE MONEY than 3% of Pulev-Takam.

So sanctioning fees have nothing to do with why the IBF would sanction Pulev-Takam for the IBF title instead of Joshua-Klitschko II.

[Eff Pandas]

I agree, but it can't all be laid at the feet of the ABC groups. Fighters play a part in that as well.

Couldn't disagree more. The fighters actually have the least power in the whole paradigm. Networks, abc groups & promoters all play a bigger part then fighters in the bs.

Most fighters are very small players in this & that makes sense since they have the smallest life in the game. They are more a pawn in the corruption & money making process then any piece that can slide across the chessboard in one move. I'd imagine most title holders decision process comes down to "okay so I'll get X for this fight & x+ for this other fight...okay this other fight sounds like the one".

Khan in the last couple years has **** on opportunities as a high ranking fighter in the IBF and WBC. I'm sure the organizations tire of ****ing with some of these guys knowing they are going to do what they want anyways. It does'nt excuse them, but it is still a factor.

I mean you can name knucklehead situations all day & idk that it means anything. The abc groups should be mature enough to create sensible & realistic rankings & everything else falls in place from there regardless of any specific clog in the machine.

One major thing that's problematic with rankings to me is there doesn't seem to be such a thing as a quality win or a bs win outside of any groups specific rankings. Just winning is enough to move you up in rankings & to me that's one of the biggest flaws with abc group rankings that rarely gets brought up.

[DreamerUSA]

Couldn't disagree more. The fighters actually have the least power in the whole paradigm. Networks, abc groups & promoters all play a bigger part then fighters in the bs.

Most fighters are very small players in this & that makes sense since they have the smallest life in the game. They are more a pawn in the corruption & money making process then any piece that can slide across the chessboard in one move. I'd imagine most title holders decision process comes down to "okay so I'll get X for this fight & x+ for this other fight...okay this other fight sounds like the one".



I mean you can name knucklehead situations all day & idk that it means anything. The abc groups should be mature enough to create sensible & realistic rankings & everything else falls in place from there regardless of any specific clog in the machine.

One major thing that's problematic with rankings to me is there doesn't seem to be such a thing as a quality win or a bs win outside of any groups specific rankings. Just winning is enough to move you up in rankings & to me that's one of the biggest flaws with abc group rankings that rarely gets brought up.

I think it matters when they rank the right guys, like they did with Khan and Bradley, but than one or the other does'nt want it. Can't see how you can blame the ABC groups for that. That happens pretty regualr. I agree that it is'nt just the fighters, but the bigger names have a lot more pull than the average Joe Blow ranked 15th when it comes to opponent selection. The fighters are not blameless in this.