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Jones and Ali shared a lot of similarities, only Jones did it better and he didn't do it against slow lumbering HWs who were often outsized. They both relied on speed and reflexes to get them through fights, and when those reflexes start to fade, fighters with their styles suffer the most. They take too many punches and/or KO's.
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RJJ is totally underestimated and it's a total disrespect. He clearly, wide open, SCHOOLED Hopkins and JAmes Toney, don't get me wrong these two are Godfather, LOTR, Snatch or Django level skilled fighters if they call that Loma Matrix.
He had the power, the speed, the ****iness and flashy stuff. Watching his tapes I realize that HBO commentators from time to time hated on him or degraded him idk for what reason (I don't blv theyr racists, I don't mean that).Comment
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We have never seen anything like him and probably won't again. Once in lifetime freak of nature.Comment
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Roy had a crazy combination of talent, skill, speed, power, reflexes & athleticism. It was a treat to watch him in his prime.Last edited by SUBZER0ED; 04-24-2017, 03:20 PM.Comment
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No, I'm talking about his entire career. Through his best years, he had his physical gifts to rely on to get out of trouble but once his speed and reflexes dimmed, he had very litle technical proficienty in numerous areas.
That is in stark contrast to the upper tier greats. The finest example is Ali. He had more fights as a fighter who had lost his speed and reflexes but had boxing smarts and technical skillset to rely upon. He competed with Frazier, beat him twice, beat Norton twice, beat Foreman etc all while his natural gifts were all but gone.
Jones could never do that because he did not know how.Comment
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I've honestly tried my best to reason with you, but you're just not interested.
If you're a big fan of Joe's, why are you arguing against what Joe himself said?
Seriously, when will it sink in that Roy was finished as a top level fighter at that point?
Just answer me an honest question: Was there anything special regarding Glen Johnson? Please be honest.
Glen Johnson bullied Roy for 9 rounds, before knocking him out cold. That was 4 years before Joe fought him. And then Johnson couldnt even comfortably beat Clinton Woods.
Fast forward 4 years, and you had Roy at almost 40, coming off of decision wins against Prince Badi Ajamu, Anthony Hanshaw, and a faded, inactive Tito, who couldn't even make the agreed upon C-W of a 170 pounds.
Joe fought the ghost of the guy you see in Roy's highlight reels. Seriously, Roy literally wasn't even half the fighter he'd been against the likes of Griffin and Hill. He had his hand speed, but his timing was out (as evidenced by his forearm knockdown against Joe) and he was gun shy, with badly faded reflexes. His legs had gone.
Before you start dreaming up a scenario where Joe would always have won handily, you need to go and watch Roy back at SMW. I keep telling you, a guy who struggled with Reid and who was dropped by Salem and Mitchell etc, could not have beaten the phenom that Roy was in his 20's. Roy was faster, more powerful, harder to hit, and he was more accurate, with better timing, with a wider variety of shots in his arsenal.
If you had a time machine, you could take any version of Joe you wanted. The version who fought Eubank, the version who fought Veit, Woodhall, Lacy, Kessler or Hopkins. It wouldn't matter. He would not have beaten the versions of Roy who fought Toney, Griffin or Hill. He was just too easy to hit, especially with right hands. And if he'd have gone at Roy throwing 100's of punches per round, he'd have found himself in a shootout where he'd have been taken out.
Joe was a GREAT fighter. I watched his entire career unfold. But he didn't possess the skills or the confidence to have beaten Roy at his best.
This is what Joe would have been facing if he'd have fought Roy at anywhere near his best:
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