Mayweather and the conspiracy theories...

[Dosumpthin]

Can't believe people are that ****ing ****** they believe VADA is more "sophisticated" than a WADA SIGNATORY.


The only thing "WADA" that VADA and Victor Conte does is have hired uber drivers drop off samples at a lab that has the ability to perform WADA protocols. They just order from the dollar menu.

[boliodogs]

I have no knowledge of any of that stuff you just wrote about. All I know is that both Pacquiao and Mayweather have both been tested clean many times and never once been found guilty of using anything illegal. I assume they are both clean fighters and have no reason to assume otherwise.

[Metho_4u]

I have no knowledge of any of that stuff you just wrote about. All I know is that both Pacquiao and Mayweather have both been tested clean many times and never once been found guilty of using anything illegal. I assume they are both clean fighters and have no reason to assume otherwise.

Correct, there are no FACTS, just su****ions and speculation, hence it being more conspiracy theories

[GhostofDempsey]

1. Theraputic Use Exemptions are part of WADA rules that ADO signatories are bound to follow.

2. Can you tell me who asked the questions that you accused tygart of not answering?



These are not facts - but let's play...






This is a false rumor. It was reported by Thomas Hauser and also debunked by Thomas Hauser himself.





1. Retroactive "immunity" or Theraputic Use Exemptions are also a part of WADA protocol. No where in any writing does it state a time limit in which retro active tues can be submitted.

2. The approval of Floyd's TUE was done by an independent committee of doctors who have no knowledge of the identity of the applicant - that was submitted 3 weeks later.

3. Floyd provided a partial urine sample before and after the IV. I can reasonably imagine this weighs heavily when granting approval.





Again false reporting by Thomas Hauser.



1. Year round testing was rarely if not ever being done in the sport of boxing until recently with VADA.

2. VADA year round testing consist of 2 unannounced test per year. USADA has tested Floyd dozens of times and most importantly utilize ATHLETE BIOLOGICAL PASSPORT system - the future of testing.

3. USADA has always been an advocate for year round testing.






More false information reported by Thomas Hauser based on Victor Conte - this was BEFORE he was made aware that ALL Floyd samples have been CIR tested.

This is an important fact that you need to acknowledge because t/e ratios that are a "red flag" are then subject to........ CIR TESTING!!!#!


Floyd's T/E levels are irrelevant.




False.

VADA , co founded by convicted drug cheat Victor conte, wasn't even
created when Floyd and Manny started negotiations.


The fact you think VADA - who doesn't adhere to WADA protocols - is more sophisticated makes me realize how much of my time you just wasted.

I wish I read that before replying.



Try harder. Bring more facts. Less KNOWN rumors.

You got one thing right, you wasted your time.

Conte is not a co-founder or in any way officially associated with VADA, this according to the head of VADA Dr. Margaret Goodman and Conte himself--and VADA was around before Pac and Floyd negotiated the fight. But if you want to take the word of a cheating liar like Memo, go right ahead. I'm sure your "sources" are Memo Heredia in order to support your weak argument.

http://www.boxingscene.com/victor-conte-clarifies-association-with-vada--71433

"The moment that the “B” sample from Morales’ first test came back positive, standard testing protocol dictated that this information be forwarded to the New York State Athletic Commission. But neither USADA nor Richard Schaefer did so in a timely manner. Rather, it appears as though the commission and the public may have been deliberately misled in regard to the testing and how many tests Morales had failed.

New York State Athletic Commission sources say that the first notice the NYSAC received regarding Morales’ test results came in a three-way telephone conversation with representatives of Golden Boy and USADA after the story broke on Halestorm Sports. In that conversation, the commission was told that there were “some questionable test results” for Morales but that testing of Morales’ “B” sample would not be available until after the fight.

Travis Tygart has since said, “The licensing body was aware of the positive test prior to the fight. What they did with it was their call.”

That’s terribly misleading."

From SB Nation article:

Other concerns raised by the lengthy report for SB Nation include:
•The USADA, a non-governmental agency that receives about $10 million in annual funding from Congress, appeared to have given favorable treatment to some boxers, including not just Mayweather but Erik Morales, who in 2012 tested positive for a PED and reportedly failed several more tests, although the New York State Athletic Commission was not informed of the failed tests in a timely manner.
•Mayweather’s camp has claimed that the fighter is subject to testing “365-24-7 by USADA,” but in reality, he determines when the testing period begins. In the case of the Berto fight, that began when the event, which had been rumored for weeks, was officially announced in early August, by which point Mayweather potentially could have undergone an assortment of treatments following the Pacquiao bout.
•As Conte put it, “I can’t tell you what Floyd Mayweather is and isn’t doing. What he could be doing is this. The fight is over. First, he uses these drugs for tissue repair. Then he can stay on them until he announces his next fight, at which time he’s the one who decides when the next round of testing starts. And by the time testing starts, the drugs have cleared his system.”
•The drug-testing contract with USADA agreed to by Mayweather and Pacquiao provided for exceptions to WADA rules.
•In 2012, Pacquiao’s camp rejected a proposed contract clause that could have allowed USADA to grant a retroactive TUE without notifying the NSAC or the other fighter.
•In tests administered to Mayweather by the NSAC for fights in 2011 and 2013, he posted unusually low testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios, either of which, as another expert described to Hauser, should have served as “a warning flag” for doping.
•Another anti-doping agency, VADA, charges less than USADA and offers more stringent tests.
•In 46 fights for which it has done testing, USADA acknowledged just one boxer caught with PEDs (Morales), whereas VADA had found three positive results in 18 fights.

Among the fighters VADA flagged for PED use was Berto, in 2012.

Next time dispute facts with facts, not opinions or biased articles.

[Dosumpthin]

You got one thing right, you wasted your time.

We can agree on that. I've wasted time. Guess I'll waste some more.

Conte is not a co-founder or in any way officially associated with VADA, this according to the head of VADA Dr. Margaret Goodman and Conte himself--and VADA was around before Pac and Floyd negotiated the fight. But if you want to take the word of a cheating liar like Memo, go right ahead. I'm sure your "sources" are Memo Heredia in order to support your weak argument.

http://www.boxingscene.com/victor-co...th-vada--71433

1. Key word Conte isnt "officially" associated with VADA. However he is on record as being a consultant - VADAs knock off version of a WADA TUEC.

2. My source - before any negative backlash from the public - here's CONTE HIMSELF EXPLAINING UP AND COMING VADA AND HIS ROLE...



"Conte told Dennis Guillermo of Boxing Scene that a new anti-doping task force will soon become operational. Its goal is to provide athletes with the most comprehensive drug testing. Conte calls this VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency.) “We’ve been working on this since September of last year and we hope to implement it in the near future,” Conte said. However, a definite date has not been set. “How soon that can be, whether it’s going to be in days, weeks or months, I can’t tell you. But it’s going to be in the near future.”

http://www.ironmagazine.com/2011/victor-conte-launching-anti-doping-task-force-vada/

"The moment that the “B” sample from Morales’ first test came back positive, standard testing protocol dictated that this information be forwarded to the New York State Athletic Commission. But neither USADA nor Richard Schaefer did so in a timely manner. Rather, it appears as though the commission and the public may have been deliberately misled in regard to the testing and how many tests Morales had failed.

New York State Athletic Commission sources say that the first notice the NYSAC received regarding Morales’ test results came in a three-way telephone conversation with representatives of Golden Boy and USADA after the story broke on Halestorm Sports. In that conversation, the commission was told that there were “some questionable test results” for Morales but that testing of Morales’ “B” sample would not be available until after the fight.

Travis Tygart has since said, “The licensing body was aware of the positive test prior to the fight. What they did with it was their call.”

That’s terribly misleading."

From SB Nation article:

Your only source is Thomas Hauser article????

I have read USADA detailed rebuttal which contradicts Mr Hauser claims.


Given Mr Hauser has falsely reported inaccurate information and misinformation in the same article you're quoting - the Morales conspiracy doesn't have any credibility.

Other concerns raised by the lengthy report for SB Nation include:
•The USADA, a non-governmental agency that receives about $10 million in annual funding from Congress, appeared to have given favorable treatment to some boxers, including not just Mayweather but Erik Morales, who in 2012 tested positive for a PED and reportedly failed several more tests, although the New York State Athletic Commission was not informed of the failed tests in a timely manner.
•Mayweather’s camp has claimed that the fighter is subject to testing “365-24-7 by USADA,” but in reality, he determines when the testing period begins. In the case of the Berto fight, that began when the event, which had been rumored for weeks, was officially announced in early August, by which point Mayweather potentially could have undergone an assortment of treatments following the Pacquiao bout.
•As Conte put it, “I can’t tell you what Floyd Mayweather is and isn’t doing. What he could be doing is this. The fight is over. First, he uses these drugs for tissue repair. Then he can stay on them until he announces his next fight, at which time he’s the one who decides when the next round of testing starts. And by the time testing starts, the drugs have cleared his system.”
•The drug-testing contract with USADA agreed to by Mayweather and Pacquiao provided for exceptions to WADA rules.
•In 2012, Pacquiao’s camp rejected a proposed contract clause that could have allowed USADA to grant a retroactive TUE without notifying the NSAC or the other fighter.
•In tests administered to Mayweather by the NSAC for fights in 2011 and 2013, he posted unusually low testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios, either of which, as another expert described to Hauser, should have served as “a warning flag” for doping.
•Another anti-doping agency, VADA, charges less than USADA and offers more stringent tests.
•In 46 fights for which it has done testing, USADA acknowledged just one boxer caught with PEDs (Morales), whereas VADA had found three positive results in 18 fights.

Among the fighters VADA flagged for PED use was Berto, in 2012.

More of the same article from the same source written by an author that has admitted inaccuracies - that only quotes Victor Conte - reads like an advertisement for VADA.

Next time dispute facts with facts, not opinions or biased articles.

1. You haven't disputed anything of reverence in my post.

2. You claimed Floyd was "caught".
False.


Lets start there.

[mathed]

Dude juiced up like a mofo. He just had enough money to pay off the right people and destroy the evidence.

[GhostofDempsey]

We can agree on that. I've wasted time. Guess I'll waste some more.




1. Key word Conte isnt "officially" associated with VADA. However he is on record as being a consultant - VADAs knock off version of a WADA TUEC.

2. My source - before any negative backlash from the public - here's CONTE HIMSELF EXPLAINING UP AND COMING VADA AND HIS ROLE...



"Conte told Dennis Guillermo of Boxing Scene that a new anti-doping task force will soon become operational. Its goal is to provide athletes with the most comprehensive drug testing. Conte calls this VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency.) “We’ve been working on this since September of last year and we hope to implement it in the near future,” Conte said. However, a definite date has not been set. “How soon that can be, whether it’s going to be in days, weeks or months, I can’t tell you. But it’s going to be in the near future.”

http://www.ironmagazine.com/2011/victor-conte-launching-anti-doping-task-force-vada/





Your only source is Thomas Hauser article????

I have read USADA detailed rebuttal which contradicts Mr Hauser claims.


Given Mr Hauser has falsely reported inaccurate information and misinformation in the same article you're quoting - the Morales conspiracy doesn't have any credibility.







More of the same article from the same source written by an author that has admitted inaccuracies - that only quotes Victor Conte - reads like an advertisement for VADA.






1. You haven't disputed anything of reverence in my post.

2. You claimed Floyd was "caught".
False.


Lets start there.

Fail...your source is outdated from 2011. You didn't even bother to read the links I posted.

I said Floyd was caught with an illegal IV which is true. Reading comprehension will get you through the door. So far you are in the outside looking in. I'm playing chess while you are playing checkers. Stop embarassing yourself.

[Dosumpthin]

Fail...your source is outdated from 2011. You didn't even bother to read the links I posted.

I said Floyd was caught with an illegal IV which is true. Reading comprehension will get you through the door. So far you are in the outside looking in. I'm playing chess while you are playing checkers. Stop embarassing yourself.

That's a start. You claimed it was a FACT Floyd was caught and posted a dco found evidence of an IV.


Prove it. Post the link. And source.

[Luilun]

Way to try to stay unbiased....gtfo of my thread

FU I write the truth not want you want me to write

[Metho_4u]

FU I write the truth not want you want me to write

Lol, but you're not writing facts, only you're opinion of what you believe to be true. Dumb.