Comments Thread For: Hearn Admits Anthony Joshua Could Be Forced To Drop IBF Belt

[aboutfkntime]

neither are a current heavyweight champion. please learn how to read.

who gives a flying fat fk ?

why do you fixate on rubbish ?

FACT: the two best heavyweight's are Klitschko/Fury

FACT: the most meaningful fight at HW is Klitschko/Fury

you asked for a heavyweight with a better resume than Wilder..... well, I just gave you TWO of them..... and wow, what a coincidence..... that is the very same fight that caused the IBF to **** the bed..... oh, and YOU supported that bed-****ting exercise wholeheartedly

listen, everyone can clearly see that the IBF were ******

EVERYONE can clearly see that the IBF should have allowed the rematch to continue

it was best for the heavyweight division, AND it was best for boxing

the IBF made a ridiculous decision that was clearly NOT in the best interests of boxing, and YOU supported them

there are only two possible reasons to support that decision.....
1) you are a fkn muppet
2) you hate Tyson Fury

neither of those reasons are acceptable

it appears you are supporting that IBF ******ity because you hate Tyson Fury, either that or..... ?

why can't you casuals make the best decision for boxing ?

there are 50,000,000 of you clowns, are each of you going to make similarly dumb decisions that are also not in the best interests of boxing?

fk me

[aboutfkntime]

you're lying. it's the only one of the major bodies that hasn't had a major bribery scandal.

even sulaiman's harshest critics would admit the WBC was the only org that wouldn't sell rankings.

sulaiman was independently wealthy and wasn't going to risk his life's dream of ruling boxing for low level $2,000 bribes to rank an unknown super flyweight.

wba and ibf were selling rankings all day long.

the head of the wba's bribing scheme was publicly outed by arum, so the wba was forced to fire him.

so he founded the wbo.

foolio, this is from wiki LMAO.....

Many in the boxing community have accused the WBC of bending its rules to suit the powerful boxing promoter Don King. The journalist Jack Newfield wrote, "...[WBC President Jose Sulaiman] became more King's junior partner than his independent regulator".[5] Another journalist, Peter Heller, echoes that comment: "Sulaiman...became little more than an errand boy for Don King".[6] Heller quotes British promoter Mickey Duff as saying, "My complaint is that José Sulaimán is not happy his friend Don King is the biggest promoter in boxing. Sulaiman will only be happy when Don King is the only promoter in boxing."[6]

Newfield and Heller take issue with the following actions of the WBC:

When Leon Spinks won the WBA and WBC Heavyweight championships from Muhammad Ali in 1978, the WBC stripped Leon Spinks of his title. José Sulaimán said the WBC did so because Spinks was signed for a rematch with Ali instead of fighting a Don King fighter, Ken Norton. Norton defended the WBC title against another Don King fighter, Larry Holmes, who won the belt.[5]
In 1983, WBC Super Featherweight champion Bobby Chacon was signed to fight Cornelius Boza Edwards, the WBC's mandatory challenger for his title. But, the promoter Don King wanted his fighter, Héctor Camacho, to fight for the title. Although WBC rules said the mandatory challenger should receive a shot at the title, the WBC withdrew its sanction from the fight. It stripped Chacon of his title for refusing to fight Camacho.[6]
Under WBC rules, a fighter is supposed to defend his title against a mandatory challenger at least once a year. For fighters controlled by Don King, this rule is often ignored. For instance, as WBC champions, Alexis Argüello and Carlos Zarate, were allowed to ignore their obligations to their mandatory contenders.[5]
While WBC Super Featherweight champion, Julio César Chávez wanted to fight top contender Roger Mayweather for a promoter other than Don King. The WBC withheld its sanction of the fight until Don King became promoter.[5]
When Mike Tyson lost to James "Buster" Douglas during an IBF, WBC and WBA Heavyweight championship defense, King convinced the WBC (along with the WBA) to withhold recognition of Douglas as heavyweight champion. King claimed that Tyson had won the fight due to knocking down Douglas, and the referee's giving Douglas a "long count".[5] The referee Octavio Meyran, in an affidavit, claims that King threatened to have the WBC withhold payment of Meyran's hotel bill if Meyran did not support King's protest.[7] Because of intense public pressure, both the WBA and WBC backed down and recognized Douglas as champion.
In 1992, the WBC threatened to strip Evander Holyfield of his title for defending it against Rid**** Bowe instead of Razor Ruddock. Holyfield obtained a court order to stop the organization. In a taped deposition for the United States Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Holyfield said that the WBC wanted him to defend his championship against Ruddock because Ruddock was managed by King.[8]
During the 1990s, the WBC did not allow its champions to engage in unification bouts with WBO champions. However, in 1993, the super-middleweight showdown between WBC champion Nigel Benn and WBO champion Chris Eubank, promoted by Don King, was recognized as a title unification fight by the WBC. Each champion fought to a draw in his bout and each retained their respective titles.[citation needed]
When Mike Tyson was released from prison in 1995, the WBC installed him as their #1 contender for their heavyweight championship. Tyson had not fought in four years, but was promoted by Don King.[citation needed]
In 1993, Julio César Chávez, managed & promoted by Don King, got a majority draw against Pernell Whitaker in their WBC welterweight title fight in San Antonio, Texas. Virtually every ringside observer and boxing analyst had Whitaker winning at least 8 or 9 of the 12 round fight, and CompuBox statistics showed Whitaker outlanding Chavez by a wide margin. But two of the three judges had the fight scored even. The fight was promoted by King, and 2 of the judges were not appointed by the state's boxing commission (in this case, Texas) like any other time; instead, they were appointed by the WBC. It had been reported that Don King had a hand in helping to secure the WBC judges for the fight.[9] To this day, the resulting draw is considered one of the most controversial decisions ever.
In 2000, Chávez, still promoted by King, was the mandatory challenger for Kostya Tszyu's WBC super lightweight title. Chávez did not appear to satisfy requirements for a mandatory challenger: he had not fought at super lightweight for two years, had recently lost to journeyman boxer Willie Wise, and had not beaten a top contender since losing his first fight to Oscar De La Hoya in 1996.[citation needed]
In 2005, the WBC stripped Javier Castillejo of his super welterweight title for fighting Fernando Vargas instead of Ricardo Mayorga, a fighter promoted by Don King. The WBC qualified Mayorga for a shot at the super welterweight title although he had never fought at that weight limit and had lost two of his last three fights.


you casual fans are ridiculous

seriously, how long have you been following this sport ?

the WBC have made bizarre decision followed by bizarre decision for DECADES, and have done a handsome job of lining their own pockets at the expense of fighters

I have never heard one person EVER defend the WBC

oh, except for you

REAL boxing fans hold those asshat's in contempt

CASUALS put them on a pedestal, and say they are great

why the hell are you here, you clearly have no love for the sport ? LOL

[original zero]

About Time -

People who are educated and successful care about reading. I said one thing. Because you are a ****ing idiot who doesn't know how to read, you thought I said something completely different.

[aboutfkntime]

About Time -

People who are educated and successful care about reading. I said one thing. Because you are a ****ing idiot who doesn't know how to read, you thought I said something completely different.

we disagree on the same things we disagreed on last time

1) the sport of boxing, and the fighters..... come first, period

2) NONE of the ABC bodies are definitive, so NONE of the ABC bodies are any better than another..... ALL are highly questionable, because NONE of them put boxing ahead of their own greedy/selfish interests..... some have been (rightly) widely-criticized for YEARS, including the WBC

they change over time, one ABC body will occasionally have more champions than the others..... but that "purple patch" is never definitive, never 100% accurate

if one organisation had a reasonable argument for being definitive, there would not be 4 recognized sanctioning organisations

defending them is beyond ******ed, and NOT the actions of someone who places the sport/fighters ahead of everything else

favoring a greedy promoter, or a greedy sanctioning organisation, over a fighter..... is totally unjustifiable

lets leave it

[original zero]

1) the sport of boxing, and the fighters..... come first, period

Meaningless empty rhetoric. The sport of boxing and the fighters come first? First before what? Birth? School? Work? Death?

Boxing is entertainment. It exists to separate the public from their money. Period.

2) NONE of the ABC bodies are definitive, so NONE of the ABC bodies are any better than another.....

Completely illogical, which is par for the course for you. By that logic, the WBC is no more prestigious than the WBU. You don't make any sense.

[Jewish-Reptile]

they were dumb as dog**** to strip Fury

it made them look strictly second-rate

like your post

who cares if they enforce ******ity ?

they seriously need to work on their rankings

You're aware Wlad was ordered to defend his WBA and WBO against Fluff Furry with the IBF mandating the winner to face Glazkov, nobody would have been stripped if they had not chosen the more lucrative option of a rematch. Those orders were in place before the Furry Klitschko fight.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Why is it possible to lose a belt, because he cant make two defenses at the same time? boxing is so ridiculous.

Unified champion should have unified mandatories. Let the #1 contender of each organisation fight each other.

The WBA and WBO apppinted Fluff Furry mandatory for Klitschko, working together.

[aboutfkntime]

Meaningless empty rhetoric. The sport of boxing and the fighters come first? First before what? Birth? School? Work? Death?

Boxing is entertainment. It exists to separate the public from their money. Period.




Completely illogical, which is par for the course for you. By that logic, the WBC is no more prestigious than the WBU. You don't make any sense.

disappointed that you need help with that question

fighters come before.....

* dirty greedy promoters
* dirty greedy managers
* dirty greedy ABC organizations
* dirty greedy TV networks
* dopey ignorant fanboys

ALWAYS remember that, won't you ?

[aboutfkntime]

You're aware Wlad was ordered to defend his WBA and WBO against Fluff Furry with the IBF mandating the winner to face Glazkov, nobody would have been stripped if they had not chosen the more lucrative option of a rematch. Those orders were in place before the Furry Klitschko fight.

who cares, Glazkov is shht

Klitschko/Fury II is the most meaningful fight in boxing *

Glazkov/Martin was shht

they replaced meaningful, with shht

#strictlysecondrate


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* i mean, hw boxing

[original zero]

fighters come before.....

* dirty greedy promoters
* dirty greedy managers
* dirty greedy ABC organizations
* dirty greedy TV networks
* dopey ignorant fanboys

doesn't that actually make you the fanboy? worshiping fighters and obsessing over whether others value them the most?

this is a business. boxing is entertainment. it exists to separate the public from their money. nothing more. nothing less.

promoters, managers, sanctioning bodies, networks, etc are no more or no less greedy than fighters. everyone is trying to get the most money they have the leverage to negotiate.