Who is more likely to be remembered 20 years from now? A guy who retired undefeted mu

[ruedboy]

If guys like you continually use an "enhanced negative lens" to examine Floyd 's resume, you shouldn't get mad when people return the favor when looking at Pac's resume.

It's not that Manny doesn't get credit for Cotto, he does. However, if we use the "enhanced negative lens" you are using, then its fair to point out Cotto was at 145 and was drained and Margs beat him first, likely using illegally loaded handwraps.

What is a fighter's best weight? and when is a fighter "drained"? These are questions that are hard to answer and usually come down to opinions rather than facts.
Take Cotto, Miguel was 27-0 fighting under 145 with most of his fights around 140. At 145 to 147 Cotto was 7-2 and when Miguel moves up over 150, he's 6-3.
Just on his record Cotto was at his best at 140, not as good over 145-147 and a little worse atover 150. Of course the problem with just looking at wins and losses is you leave out things like who did he fight? at what time in the guy's career? and at what weight?
So once again opinions come in to it and that's why nothing is ever resolved and the arguments are endless. They do make me laugh out loud sometimes though.

[LockardTheGOAT]

150 cw is a division?

Is 152 a division? Because Floyd won the 154 title at a (per his request) 152 cw himself.

[The Big Dunn]

Is 152 a division? Because Floyd won the 154 title at a (per his request) 152 cw himself.

Not true. He won the 154 lb title twice at 154, vs ODH and Cotto. He then unified with Canelo at 152.

[Robbie Barrett]

When you nit pick floyds and pacs resume. Pac is top 10 tag. Floyd is top 20.

Once you say floyd cherry picked and tried to get everything in his favour, beat past prime fighters, bloated and cw opponents and arguably lost to pac,Castillo and maidana top 20 isn't bad and didn't fight ggg when he said he could beat him.

Once you made jokes about Jmm flattening pac after arguably beating him twice (although Jmm still thinks pac is best of this era) and how dlh was dead man walking, and Barrera was shop worn etc etc. Pac is top 10 which isn't too bad as well all things considering.

Moral of the story is once you've finished nit picking each careers pac will be remembered. Floyd will be remembered for unbeaten record. That's what floyd wanted. So Everyone's a winner

Most people have Mayweather ahead of Pacquiao all time. You can think what you like, but Mayweather will be viewed as the better fighter by most.

[Metho_4u]

Not true. He won the 154 lb title twice at 154, vs ODH and Cotto. He then unified with Canelo at 152.

Saved me from posting this

[Metho_4u]

Most people have Mayweather ahead of Pacquiao all time. You can think what you like, but Mayweather will be viewed as the better fighter by most.

That's because he beat Manny, and that's really all that needs to be said

[Johnwoo8686]

I'm not accusing Floyd of making false accusations, he actually made them! Good enough for you Floyd fans, so what goes around comes around. You can't have it both ways.

Guerrero got his shot at Floyd for beating Berto. Same as Ortiz. I guess Berto somehow became the gatekeeper of the division, and staying true to his low risk formula, he allowed Berto a shot for his 49th fight, one in which fans actually walked out halfway through that snoozefest.

Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Cotto were all in their prime versus Pac. If you claim Cotto was damaged goods for Pac, then he was even more damaged when fighting Floyd, so why does Floyd get credit for beating Cotto but not Pac? Typical hater nonsense.

Floyd never flat out said Manny was on anything. He asked Manny to take Olympic style blood testing and the rumors swarmed around Manny afterwards. At least Marquez is not a bitch like Manny and he didn't sue the people who made clear false allegations against him.

Morales and Barrera were not prime, they had like 60 and 50 plus fights respectively and had been in many wars. HBO even said before those fights those guys were passed their primes. Watch the Pacquiao Morales 2 fight and Jim Lampley calls Morales an "old 30."

Pacquiao is fighting guys like Jeff Horn and Chris Algeiri yet you want to criticize Floyd for fighting Berto? When Berto has accomplished more than either of those guys?
Come on son... just stop.

[GhostofDempsey]

Floyd never flat out said Manny was on anything. He asked Manny to take Olympic style blood testing and the rumors swarmed around Manny afterwards. At least Marquez is not a bitch like Manny and he didn't sue the people who made clear false allegations against him.

Morales and Barrera were not prime, they had like 60 and 50 plus fights respectively and had been in many wars. HBO even said before those fights those guys were passed their primes. Watch the Pacquiao Morales 2 fight and Jim Lampley calls Morales an "old 30."

Pacquiao is fighting guys like Jeff Horn and Chris Algeiri yet you want to criticize Floyd for fighting Berto? When Berto has accomplished more than either of those guys?
Come on son... just stop.

Floyd didn't say in exact words Manny was using something but his father did it on his behalf. Floyd hid behind daddy like a punk while he did his talking for him. Floyd had to pay an out of court settlement to Manny for those accusations that he and his camp DID make! That was his first effort to duck Manny in his prime.

Manny didn't accuse Marquez of PED use, Roach made an observation and worded himself carefully so that JMM couldn't sue him if he wanted to. Anyone who thinks JMM wasn't using PEDs for their last fight is woefully blind and/or ignorant.

I'd like to see what Floyd fans will use as an excuse if the McGregor fight doesn't get made and Floyd chooses another no-hoper for his 50th win. Maybe Baldomir can dust off his trunks.

[Johnwoo8686]

Floyd didn't say in exact words Manny was using something but his father did it on his behalf. Floyd hid behind daddy like a punk while he did his talking for him. Floyd had to pay an out of court settlement to Manny for those accusations that he and his camp DID make! That was his first effort to duck Manny in his prime.

Manny didn't accuse Marquez of PED use, Roach made an observation and worded himself carefully so that JMM couldn't sue him if he wanted to. Anyone who thinks JMM wasn't using PEDs for their last fight is woefully blind and/or ignorant.

I'd like to see what Floyd fans will use as an excuse if the McGregor fight doesn't get made and Floyd chooses another no-hoper for his 50th win. Maybe Baldomir can dust off his trunks.

Manny walked away from the fight in 2010 not Floyd. Roach even said himself that he didn't believe Manny could beat Floyd in 2010. Nice try smart guy.

And it's funny how you accuse Marquez was on steroids because of his improvements but don't think Manny could have been using steroids when he showed clear improvements. That shows the extent of your bias.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd didn't say in exact words Manny was using something but his father did it on his behalf. Floyd hid behind daddy like a punk while he did his talking for him. Floyd had to pay an out of court settlement to Manny for those accusations that he and his camp DID make! That was his first effort to duck Manny in his prime.

Manny didn't accuse Marquez of PED use, Roach made an observation and worded himself carefully so that JMM couldn't sue him if he wanted to. Anyone who thinks JMM wasn't using PEDs for their last fight is woefully blind and/or ignorant.

I'd like to see what Floyd fans will use as an excuse if the McGregor fight doesn't get made and Floyd chooses another no-hoper for his 50th win. Maybe Baldomir can dust off his trunks.

you call the floyd/macgregor fight a joke then you say you want to see what happens if the fight doesn't get made.

wouldn't you be happy that the fight didn't get made?

Maybe he could fight Manny again for his 50th.