can anyone give me a good reason the USA would rob Kova but not Golovkin?

[SplitSecond]

lol...that was a whole lot of nothing

Lol. Let me give you an example of your argument:

You guys say Sturm was robbed vs De La Hoya, but look over here at this completely unrelated fight between Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao III, they could have given it to Marquez but didn't, why? Thus I have concluded that in fact, Sturm vs Hoya was not a robbery, since there are fights that aren't robberies between mexicans and foreigners, concordantly, robberies don't exist.

That's the equivalency to your debate. Ward obviously has more prestige than Jacobs, the man has big money invested in him (money his ass can't check), and as Lampley said "American hero" an all that. But just because there is some apparently dubious antics going on in one fight and not in another, it doesn't mean the first one should be absolved of su****ion.

Besides, it would get too obvious if you went around robbing everyone all the time, these two fights were basically one after the other. Also, who's to say they wouldn't rob Golovkin if Ward was knocked out for instance. But yes, obviously compared to Jacobs, Ward is much more known, and his name carries much more respect.

Besides all this I do think Ward could have won, I just don't agree with the judges rd by rd scorecards. It makes no sense to me.

[Curt Henning]

Lol. Let me give you an example of your argument:

You guys say Sturm was robbed vs De La Hoya, but look over here at this completely unrelated fight between Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao III, they could have given it to Marquez but didn't, why? Thus I have concluded that in fact, Sturm vs Hoya was not a robbery, since there are fights that aren't robberies between mexicans and foreigners, concordantly, robberies don't exist.

That's the equivalency to your debate. Ward obviously has more prestige than Jacobs, the man has big money invested in him (money his ass can't check), and as Lampley said "American hero" an all that. But just because there is some apparently dubious antics going on in one fight and not in another, it doesn't mean the first one should be absolved of su****ion.

Besides, it would get too obvious if you went around robbing everyone all the time, these two fights were basically one after the other. Also, who's to say they wouldn't rob Golovkin if Ward was knocked out for instance. But yes, obviously compared to Jacobs, Ward is much more known, and his name carries much more respect.

Besides all this I do think Ward could have won, I just don't agree with the judges rd by rd scorecards. It makes no sense to me.

if the US judges were blatantly trying to rob kovalev why wouldnt they at least give him a card to make it look "not so obvious"?

they werent trying to do anything..like i said...u have 3 guys standing at ringside from 3 different points of view...who arent listening to comentating....and arent seeing replays or the angles we are seeing at home

ward was putting in body work and lampley wasnt even mentioning it....roy or max( i cant remember which one it was) had to point it out after a nice body shot

wards "prestige" is greatly oversold in this argument because people need it for the sake of holding their argument.....where was wards "prestige" when golovkin ducked? i always used that argument when golovkins fans defending the duck...i said "wards name is prestigious in boxing...it commands respect...everybody in boxing knows ward and a win over him does something for you"...but golovkins fans insisted that it didnt....that it didnt mean much and he wasnt relevant.......which is why i have a difficult time taking golovkin apologists seriously

[Curt Henning]

Lol. Let me give you an example of your argument:

You guys say Sturm was robbed vs De La Hoya, but look over here at this completely unrelated fight between Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao III, they could have given it to Marquez but didn't, why? Thus I have concluded that in fact, Sturm vs Hoya was not a robbery, since there are fights that aren't robberies between mexicans and foreigners, concordantly, robberies don't exist.

That's the equivalency to your debate. Ward obviously has more prestige than Jacobs, the man has big money invested in him (money his ass can't check), and as Lampley said "American hero" an all that. But just because there is some apparently dubious antics going on in one fight and not in another, it doesn't mean the first one should be absolved of su****ion.

Besides, it would get too obvious if you went around robbing everyone all the time, these two fights were basically one after the other. Also, who's to say they wouldn't rob Golovkin if Ward was knocked out for instance. But yes, obviously compared to Jacobs, Ward is much more known, and his name carries much more respect.

Besides all this I do think Ward could have won, I just don't agree with the judges rd by rd scorecards. It makes no sense to me.

you are talking about 3 foreign fighters...in sturm, pac and jmm...and one american born mexican.....while i understand what you are trying to say i think this situation is different

were talking two US fighters ...and two EE fighters that fight and live in america

[mick1303]

if the US judges were blatantly trying to rob kovalev why wouldnt they at least give him a card to make it look "not so obvious"?

they werent trying to do anything..like i said...u have 3 guys standing at ringside from 3 different points of view...who arent listening to comentating....and arent seeing replays or the angles we are seeing at home

ward was putting in body work and lampley wasnt even mentioning it....roy or max( i cant remember which one it was) had to point it out after a nice body shot

wards "prestige" is greatly oversold in this argument because people need it for the sake of holding their argument.....where was wards "prestige" when golovkin ducked? i always used that argument when golovkins fans defending the duck...i said "wards name is prestigious in boxing...it commands respect...everybody in boxing knows ward and a win over him does something for you"...but golovkins fans insisted that it didnt....that it didnt mean much and he wasnt relevant.......which is why i have a difficult time taking golovkin apologists seriously

Again this tired argument of "Golovkin ducked Ward". Ducked the fighter from the division 8 pounds north... This kind of "ducking" exists only in the mind of agenda-driven posters... "Golovkin apologists"? Why does he need apologists? The whole heap of "alternative facts".

[Curt Henning]

Again this tired argument of "Golovkin ducked Ward". Ducked the fighter from the division 8 pounds north... This kind of "ducking" exists only in the mind of agenda-driven posters... "Golovkin apologists"? Why does he need apologists? The whole heap of "alternative facts".

when you actively pursue several fights at 168 and then cower and run away when challenged by the 168 king then you are ducking. when your fans claim the other guy "said no at hbo offices" while that guy is actually sidelined...then that guy comes back and you say "no" so you can fight dom wade and a welterweight? that is a tried and true duck. the only agenda i have is to the see the best fight the best......something golovkin isnt interested in....which is why hes still chasing a 26 year old kid

a 26 year old kid that has 0 fights, currently, at full 160

did we mention that golovkin claimed anyone from 154-168? or did we forget that one? lemme guess he actually meant something else right?

few months ago sanchez was running around saying golovkin beats all current LHWs...LOL

[future hendrixx]

g strings and kovatards cannot answer this question because it exposes their bull****. how come kovalov didn't complain in 2010 when he got a split decision vs boone ?? it was boones hometown and he also scored a knockdown. so where was all this anti-russia hatred by american judges?? kovalev is a sore losing vodka drinking neanderthal. both fights were close but only one winner has the balls to rematch. lil g is running away with his tail tucked in.

[SplitSecond]

if the US judges were blatantly trying to rob kovalev why wouldnt they at least give him a card to make it look "not so obvious"?

What are you talking about?

they werent trying to do anything..like i said...u have 3 guys standing at ringside from 3 different points of view...who arent listening to comentating....and arent seeing replays or the angles we are seeing at home

3 guys, 3 angles, and none gave Kovalev the 10th rd. seems iffy. If you can give Ward the 10th, then just about every rd in the second half is a potential Kovalev rd, but only one judge gave him a rd in the second half, and it was coincidentally a judge that could "spare" a rd.

ward was putting in body work and lampley wasnt even mentioning it....roy or max( i cant remember which one it was) had to point it out after a nice body shot

Ok.

wards "prestige" is greatly oversold in this argument because people need it for the sake of holding their argument.....where was wards "prestige" when golovkin ducked? i always used that argument when golovkins fans defending the duck...i said "wards name is prestigious in boxing...it commands respect...everybody in boxing knows ward and a win over him does something for you"...but golovkins fans insisted that it didnt....that it didnt mean much and he wasnt relevant.......which is why i have a difficult time taking golovkin apologists seriously

Where was Ward's prestige when Golovkin ducked him? Do you mean marketability? Again there is a lot of money invested in Ward, he's a gold olympian, highly respected in the US boxing scene and this fight he's making even more money, despite again, not carrying the monetary value you'd think he'd need to be making that money.

And making this into a Golovkin thing, I really don't care for. Ship has sailed and again, means nothing here.

you are talking about 3 foreign fighters...in sturm, pac and jmm...and one american born mexican.....while i understand what you are trying to say i think this situation is different

were talking two US fighters ...and two EE fighters that fight and live in america

It crossed my mind but I can't be arsed to look for exact replica's if it doesn't pop into my mind, maybe some Chavez fight. The point stands that using this comparative argument of "if they were robbed here why not over here" just doesn't carry much weight or mean much of anything or change the reality of what occurred, those scorecards are su****ious, and a lot of other considerations don't help to ease that feeling.

[Curt Henning]

What are you talking about?



3 guys, 3 angles, and none gave Kovalev the 10th rd. seems iffy. If you can give Ward the 10th, then just about every rd in the second half is a potential Kovalev rd, but only one judge gave him a rd in the second half, and it was coincidentally a judge that could "spare" a rd.


Ok.



Where was Ward's prestige when Golovkin ducked him? Do you mean marketability? Again there is a lot of money invested in Ward, he's a gold olympian, highly respected in the US boxing scene and this fight he's making even more money, despite again, not carrying the monetary value you'd think he'd need to be making that money.

And making this into a Golovkin thing, I really don't care for. Ship has sailed and again, means nothing here.



It crossed my mind but I can't be arsed to look for exact replica's if it doesn't pop into my mind, maybe some Chavez fight. The point stands that using this comparative argument of "if they were robbed here why not over here" just doesn't carry much weight or mean much of anything.

ward is highly respected in the WORLD boxing scene.....a fight in 2016 against golovkin would have been no different than his fight with kovalev...it would have earned ggg massive respect....the difference is golovkin didnt fancy his chances and avoided it.....

you guys constantly twists words...you used prestige...now you wanna call it marketabiity....whenever defending golovkin words have to be twisted along with narratives....one second its prestige...now its marketability...they are much different....

surely a win over golovkin would have raised jacobs marketability and "prestige" level.....these so called "homecooked" US judges had every chance to pull one out from under golovkin and greatly raise the profile of an american fighter who could be marketed....but they didnt....because they just called the fight like they saw...just like they did with ward/kova.....there are just some people who cant accept it...because they saw something different from an elevated perspective on their tvs

[Curt Henning]

g strings and kovatards cannot answer this question because it exposes their bull****. how come kovalov didn't complain in 2010 when he got a split decision vs boone ?? it was boones hometown and he also scored a knockdown. so where was all this anti-russia hatred by american judges?? kovalev is a sore losing vodka drinking neanderthal. both fights were close but only one winner has the balls to rematch. lil g is running away with his tail tucked in.

it had been pointed out for a long time that saul alvarez has 0 fights at the full 160 limit against legit MWs.....so golovkin fans had to justify them chasing a kid for 2 years

"well look at canelos fight night weight...hes basically the same size...hes 180 or 180+ on fight night...so its totally fair"

the minute golovkin doesnt look so dominate

"not fair...jacobs was 180+...practically a cruiser in there"...

LMAO

[SplitSecond]

ward is highly respected in the WORLD boxing scene.....a fight in 2016 against golovkin would have been no different than his fight with kovalev...it would have earned ggg massive respect....the difference is golovkin didnt fancy his chances and avoided it.....

you guys constantly twists words...you used prestige...now you wanna call it marketabiity....whenever defending golovkin words have to be twisted along with narratives....one second its prestige...now its marketability...they are much different....

surely a win over golovkin would have raised jacobs marketability and "prestige" level.....these so called "homecooked" US judges had every chance to pull one out from under golovkin and greatly raise the profile of an american fighter who could be marketed....but they didnt....because they just called the fight like they saw...just like they did with ward/kova.....there are just some people who cant accept it...because they saw something different from an elevated perspective on their tvs

Now we're just going in circles. I've answered all of your main questions now, just go over my posts again. I'm out.