Mayweather from Genaro to Chavez vs Lomachenko Compubox H2H Comparison

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Prime Orlando Salido beats Lomachenko ffs. Old and shop worn Salido beat him already . Let that sink in.


Floyd knocks this hype job back to reality in his prime at 130lbs. Floyd is faster, just as intelligent in the ring if not more intelligent, Floyd had legit power at the weight, and his reach would be a huge factor. Lomachenko has fought nobody to suggest he beats Floyd atm. These comparisons are dumb, cause people to dislike said hype job, and only show the nuthugging view of fanboys hyping someone to the max when they haven't earned it.

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without any great prime wins? how is that possible? fighting baldomirs and old fighters might be good for his pocketbook and shiny record but unfortunately it shouldnt transfer over to rankings. we will never know what would have happened and thats the way he wanted it. you shouldnt give him credit for not fighting tough comp. he had his cchance and even when he fought old guys like pac he should have lost that one or a prime castillo should have lost that one. smoke and mirrors.

You definitely have a point; a damn good point...

From the time Mayweather turned professional, his entire career was guided, and each opponent hand-picked.

This is how it is for most elite amateur prospects when they sign with a big-name promoter. They are hand-fed opponents until they reach "market value," then they can start taking risks - but even those are calculated to maximize "reward to risk."

I'm probably reaching when I rate him that high.

And you're right - he should have one loss on his record from Castillo. But, part of this is why I do rate Floyd highly - what did he do immediately after that fight? He instantly granted a rematch, and won convincingly. He didn't have to rematch him - he had Arum behind him, and could have gone on to fight anyone and the public would have quickly forgot about it.

[daggum]

Prime Orlando Salido beats Lomachenko ffs. Old and shop worn Salido beat him already . Let that sink in.


Floyd knocks this hype job back to reality in his prime at 130lbs. Floyd is faster, just as intelligent in the ring if not more intelligent, Floyd had legit power at the weight, and his reach would be a huge factor. Lomachenko has fought nobody to suggest he beats Floyd atm. These comparisons are dumb, cause people to dislike said hype job, and only show the nuthugging view of fanboys hyping someone to the max when they haven't earned it.

Salido's a good fighter just like castillo was when floyd lost to him. you let offiicial decisions cloud your judgement. castillo had been ko'd 4 times when floyd fought him and he couldn't do a thing to him so where was floyds big power that you are speaking of?

floyd also never fough anyone with lomas style. pac would be the closest and pac was able to land the cleaner punches against floyd and had him completely confused and gun shy to throw(meaningful punches, he was hesistant of what was going to come back). that was an old floyd of course so cant rely on that too much.

prime loma took apart gary russell who has fast hands and is a good counter puncher. also took apart walters who has a huge reach like floyd. thats evidence enough for me that loma could beat floyd. loma just has the harder style to figure out. unless you are going to charge forward and be willing to take shots like salido did. no thinking needed for that but floyd def does not figth like that. hes a thinker and he will over think like he did agaisnt castillo and pac.

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You definitely have a point; a damn good point...

From the time Mayweather turned professional, his entire career was guided, and each opponent hand-picked.

This is how it is for most elite amateur prospects when they sign with a big-name promoter. They are hand-fed opponents until they reach "market value," then they can start taking risks - but even those are calculated to maximize "reward to risk."

I'm probably reaching when I rate him that high.

And you're right - he should have one loss on his record from Castillo. But, part of this is why I do rate Floyd highly - what did he do immediately after that fight? He instantly granted a rematch, and won convincingly. He didn't have to rematch him - he had Arum behind him, and could have gone on to fight anyone and the public would have quickly forgot about it.

yes that was nice of him but it still doesnt make him one of the all time greats simply for doing a rematch. whenever people talk about floyd they always bring up an undefeated record, 5 div champ, compubox king or stuff like that but i just look at resume and its lacking A+ prime names like leonard had, like ali, roy jones had hopkins and toney, pac had barrera and marquez. floyd i dont see that unless maybe canelo counts. just a good solid resume with a couple dubious fights like any other fighter cept without those top tier prime fighters its not possible for me to call him one of the greats.

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yes that was nice of him but it still doesnt make him one of the all time greats simply for doing a rematch. whenever people talk about floyd they always bring up an undefeated record, 5 div champ, compubox king or stuff like that but i just look at resume and its lacking A+ prime names like leonard had, like ali, roy jones had hopkins and toney, pac had barrera and marquez. floyd i dont see that unless maybe canelo counts. just a good solid resume with a couple dubious fights like any other fighter cept without those top tier prime fighters its not possible for me to call him one of the greats.

But you have to admit, that even with chosen opponents, it's damn hard to go undefeated for your career.

Only a handful of fighters have ever done it.

And Floyd did fight some of the best available competition.

Who should have Floyd fought, that he didn't fight? IYO, what would have made him better?

While I do think the Mosley win is highly overrated, because Mosley had that victory over Margarito - he still fought who the public perceived to be the best available opponent (aside from Pac - but we all know how the saga went), and demanded he fight.

He never really fought a guy who wasn't outside of the top 8 in his division after he became a star.

Again, I think you have a very good point that I agree with, and concede to. I'm just curious to hear your take on who he should have/could have fought during his reign, that he didn't?

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[bigjavi973]

hmm not really. go check out his resume sometime. a 40 year old azumah nelson is all you will find. russell beat gonzalez coming off gonzalez's best win and prime walters who beat donaire.

gonzalez lost to oquendo two fights later

and donaire moved up in weight and now is fighting at a lower weight class

try again

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But you have to admit, that even with chosen opponents, it's damn hard to go undefeated for your career.

Only a handful of fighters have ever done it.

And Floyd did fight some of the best available competition.

Who should have Floyd fought, that he didn't fight? IYO, what would have made him better?

While I do think the Mosley win is highly overrated, because Mosley had that victory over Margarito - he still fought who the public perceived to be the best available opponent (aside from Pac - but we all know how the saga went), and demanded he fight.

He never really fought a guy who wasn't outside of the top 8 in his division after he became a star.

Again, I think you have a very good point that I agree with, and concede to. I'm just curious to hear your take on who he should have/could have fought during his reign, that he didn't?

yes its impressive to go undefeated but i think he lost 2 fights. maybe even 3. would a 46-3 or 47-2 floyd be one of the greats of all time accordin to most? prob not. thats why i dont care about official decisions since they often come from some of the most corrupt and or incompetent people in boxing. a very good record with or without those changes to his record but eitehr way i dont think it gets him to the top tier of greatness. top tier of very good for sure.

yes he had a long career of fighting very good fighters but he always seemed to miss the well established top guys. he would pick off a baldomir, gatti, or old fighter who found his way to the top again but those prime guys eluded him.

Theres always a ton of guys that he could have fought and sometimes it wasnt his fault that the fights didnt happen. A fight against casamayor would have been tough from a stylistic point. A fight with stevie johnston would have been nice from a stylistic point but floyd turned it down and hbo got mad at him. tsyzu would have been nice but it was dismissed as showtime vs hbo. margarito obv was a big one. long reigning #1 contender with a mexican fanbase but he fought sharmba and zab for less. winky fight was agreed upon but floyd pulled out. a win over prime winky would have been a great win but i think winky is better than his record which should have wins over vargas and taylor on it.

The two big legacy fights were cotto and pac. those were his leonard-hearns, leonard-duran fights, leonard-hagler fights. his ali-frazier, ali-foreman fights ali-liston fights. prime cotto at 147 he said he couldnt figth him because he lived too far away and because he was with arum and then retired. Then of course pac who he should have fought at least 3 years earlier when pac agreed to testing but then came the absurd 40 million flat fee. the cotto and pac fights would have done a lot for him since he already has a ton of good secondary wins.

[bigjavi973]

pac was able to land the cleaner punches against floyd and had him completely confused and gun shy to throw

this has to be one of the dumbest shits I've read on this site.

only pacfarts say crap like this


and im not even a floyd fan

[bigjavi973]

its been over 5 mins whats taking daggum so long to reply he had enough time to reply to another post




yea go check out your boxrec and google crap cuz ydksab twirp