Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Encouraged By Report Golovkin Won't Fight Saunders

[Boxing lives]

Wow the old "he's hurt" excuse to bend to the will of de la coca. Lowballfler and Gennad ask how high when oscar says jump. It will be hilarious if Canelo still avoids the match up in September. Lowfler will be completely to blame for not keeping Grovelkin active and being de la drags doormat

[aboutfkntime]

I'm just gonna come out and say it. 1. You're gay for Canelo because your love blinds you from the obvious truth. 2 I know more about boxing than you ever will. 3. I'd box the **** out of you if we ever met because my pet peeve is ****** fan boys who let their man crush emotions take control over common sense. 4. Find 1 person in boxing outside of golden boy who believes that ggg is the reason this fight hasn't happened. There are interviews from Virgil hunter, Bob arum, Lou dibella, Robert Garcia, Julio cesar chavez, Juan Manuel. Marquez, amir khan, Jim lampley, zurdo gonzalez, any many more who all say Canelo ducked and continues to avoid ggg. But hey, you know better than all Of those guys right? Nobody in the history of boxing other than bowe with Lewis has avoided 1 opponent so diliberately to the point that they gave away their title without a fight. By all means live in your fantasy world If it helps you to beat off to your Canelo posters at night.

and yet, the following fact exists.....

FACT: lil'G could simply accept the offer and fight Canelo

so..... you are talking utter bollocks kid !!

stop blaming Canelo, because Golovkin lied to YOU

#anyonefrom154-168doe
#businessmandoe

FACT: Canelo can make big fights, Golovkin cannot

[aboutfkntime]

That's where people like you miss the point entirely. Most GGG fans have always wanted him to just get the chance. People wanted him to get a crack at the lineal title against Sergio Martinez. Didn't happen. They wanted him to get a crack at the lineal title against Cotto. Didn't happen. They wanted a crack at the lineal title against Canelo. Didn't happen. And once again people want the same thing. A lot of this has to do with being a fan of Gennady and the rest is that he's been the most consistent and dominant middleweight over the years yet he never got the opportunity.

At the end of the day, it's about the fight. Making the best fights possible in the sport is what fans should always want, first and foremost. After that for me, it's about th lineage and unifications. I want a single champion in each weight class. This lineage goes back over a decade so if Canelo happens to win, then great, it would prove without a doubt he is the king at middleweight. If Golovkin wins, great, he is the true king/lineal champion and unified title holder.

hold on.....

if..... "Most GGG fans have always wanted him to just get the chance".....

..... then how can you conveniently overlook the fact that Mr "anyone from 154-168" totally refused to negotiate on weight with Cotto/Canelo..... AND, he just passed up a FORTUNE to fight Canelo, despite calling Canelo a businessman?

FACT: Golovkin could have fought BOTH of those guys, but he CHOSE not to

why do you blame others for Golovkin's decisions ?

let me give you another example in your post.....

if you really want a true middleweight "champion"..... then you had better hope your boy finds the stones to rematch Danny Jacobs..... who is AT LEAST the 2nd best middleweight on the planet

mentioning Canelo will not help in that regard..... forget that lineal bullshht, Canelo has never fought above 155 and has never faced a middleweight opponent
.... so all that "real" talk, is just bullshht

I found your post a little sanctimonious, because despite all that "real" talk, you just want to call Golovkin " da best ", without him having to prove it..... AGAIN, like with Cotto/Canelo

[cameltoe]

but, you must have been surprised ?

considering that fight was a " no-brainer " and all ?

anyway, I cared..... so I took the time to understand why that bizarre situation occurred.....

I'm remarking on my original post, not my feelings on GGG in general. My post was meant to signify how I felt it would be a good fight- I didn't intend to get ****** into a conversation about the why's and wherefores.

And no, I don't really care if I'm honest, as I don't really know. I think it's easy for armchair fans to sit back and think they know what happens in negotiations, who's ducking who etc, but the reality is we don't have a clue what goes on.

I also don't see Cotto being keen to take on a beast like GGG at 160, regardless of what you think might have happened. Cotto isn't that comfortable at the weight and I can't see him wanting to take that big a risk/reward either.

[aboutfkntime]

I'm remarking on my original post, not my feelings on GGG in general. My post was meant to signify how I felt it would be a good fight- I didn't intend to get ****** into a conversation about the why's and wherefores.

And no, I don't really care if I'm honest, as I don't really know. I think it's easy for armchair fans to sit back and think they know what happens in negotiations, who's ducking who etc, but the reality is we don't have a clue what goes on.

I also don't see Cotto being keen to take on a beast like GGG at 160, regardless of what you think might have happened. Cotto isn't that comfortable at the weight and I can't see him wanting to take that big a risk/reward either.

ummm..... as I said earlier, I know.....

* Golovkin ran around for years mentioning 154
* lil 153lb Cotto said he would fight GGG at catchweight
* Golovkin totally refused to negotiate on weight

I remember it clear as a bell, and still have the links

[cameltoe]

ummm..... as I said earlier, I know.....

* Golovkin ran around for years mentioning 154
* lil 153lb Cotto said he would fight GGG at catchweight
* Golovkin totally refused to negotiate on weight

I remember it clear as a bell, and still have the links

What part of 'I don't care' are you not getting?

My original post was meant to be a positive one, on how Cotto v GGG would have been a good fight and potentially a great scalp for GGG, a way to justify the hype. A good benchmark fight if you like.

If you want to keep talking about how GGG ducked it then go and find a wall to argue with- I'm not really interested.

You can have all the links in the world, but you don't have the first clue what really went on in the discussions there, so why let it bug you?

We know GGG's resume is nowhere near as good as Cotto's.

We know GGG has fought sub-standard opposition thus far.

But we also know Cotto isn't keen on facing strong opposition at 160, as he's not a big fighter at 160.

But I also don't think it's unreasonable for GGG to say to Cotto's team- you've already been fighting at 160, why should I come down in weight to meet you when it's my belts on the line?

Why can Kell Brook do it, but Cotto can't?

Do you see what I'm getting at? There's more than one side to the story and there will be a number of reasons why the fight didn't work out. You can put blame on both of them so why worry about it?

Back to my original point- Cotto v GGG would have been a good fight.

[aboutfkntime]

What part of 'I don't care' are you not getting?

My original post was meant to be a positive one, on how Cotto v GGG would have been a good fight and potentially a great scalp for GGG, a way to justify the hype. A good benchmark fight if you like.

If you want to keep talking about how GGG ducked it then go and find a wall to argue with- I'm not really interested.

You can have all the links in the world, but you don't have the first clue what really went on in the discussions there, so why let it bug you?

We know GGG's resume is nowhere near as good as Cotto's.

We know GGG has fought sub-standard opposition thus far.

But we also know Cotto isn't keen on facing strong opposition at 160, as he's not a big fighter at 160.

Cotto said..... I am not a middleweight, all of my middleweight opponents will be at catchweight..... Team "154-168" said, no thanks

But I also don't think it's unreasonable for GGG to say to Cotto's team- you've already been fighting at 160, why should I come down in weight to meet you when it's my belts on the line?

Why can Kell Brook do it, but Cotto can't?

Do you see what I'm getting at? There's more than one side to the story and there will be a number of reasons why the fight didn't work out. You can put blame on both of them so why worry about it?

Back to my original point- Cotto v GGG would have been a good fight.

that is what we disagree on

Cotto never fought at 160, he weighed 153

I think it is bizarre that Team "154-168" totally refused to negotiate on weight, like Hopkins did with Hoya and Martinez did with Cotto

I agree it woulda been a good fight, Golovkin could have got that fight at 157, same as Geale, or maybe 158..... and Golovkin had weighed in at 157 only a couple of fights earlier