Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Encouraged By Report Golovkin Won't Fight Saunders

[ThomasJK]

Do you think Warren is playing along with Oscar? They paid their fee to avoid the WBO mandatory, therefore you'd assume the LLL vs BJS is a go injury or not as planned... one could only imagine Warrenw would hate to deal with Loeffler ever again. We all know Warren can be straight forwards or heated.

There are also other rumors that K2 fumbled with BJS's purse? Others are blaming organizers... other are saying GBP did all this. Oscar doesn't know what K2's moves will be. It might just possibly be that Oscar would sing a different tune if K2 chooses someone other than BJs and they still fight at Expo 2017. Because I have a theory that Warren and BJS might still fall on the Alvarez plan since BJS stated it. Where? Who knows. BJS said he wouldn't mind crossing the pond and he seems like a chap that would easily got for a big money fight. Perhaps GBP wanted Saunders for Sept.?

Been thinking the same thing for quite some time. I smell Canelo/BJS in September more than ever. War Chavez!!!

[rrayvez]

nobody compared him with Ward

seriously, GGG - and you guys - should never have mentioned Ward

Canelo has excellent skills, and will not be " available " for Golovkin..... which is why Mr "anyone from 154-168" totally refused to negotiate on weight..... and that is also why Mr "businessman" refused 15mil

if they knew they could beat Canelo they would have fought him already, instead of first back-tracking on their promises regarding the weight, and then back-tracking on all that "businessman" talk

I'm trying to figure out if you're trolling or do you actually believe the nonsense you're saying? I'm not even a ggg fan, I'm just a boxing fan who wants to see Canelo fight ggg and it's obvious to anyone who isn't a Canelo fan boy that the ONLY reason this fight hasn't already happened is because golden boy hasn't wanted it to happen for fear of losing their only big name fighter. You keep mentioning business but who's the one who gave up their belt and said it was for business reasons, who's the one who said he's a 154 pound fighter only to sign and fight at 164.5, who said Mexicans don't f around with ggg in the ring only to do nothing but F around with lame fights like Smith and now Chavez Jr? Golden boy has never made any offer to ggg for ggg to be canelos next fight. It's always been talk of end of 2017 because they were hoping ggg would lose or show signs of slipping. Now that he's shown signs of slipping, they may take the fight but don't act like they ever wanted the fight to happen before now. It makes you look like a pathetic Canelo fan boy.

[JackNSledge]

I think that boxing is all about matchmaking

and Golovkin has been protected by some of the best matchmaking in the business

if your style is " available ", meaning that Gennady can land on you, then they back his power to win the fight..... and rightly so..... if Golovkin can land on you, then you will get that fight..... but if you are a master-boxer, like Cotto/Ward/Canelo..... or a known mover/spoiler like Lara/Mora..... then forget it

boxing has ALWAYS worked that way, so you guys are tripping if you think that Team Bullshht are cut from a different cloth..... they are taking the fights they want and are passing on the rest..... just like everyone else

and there is no point in you belittling Saunders..... or Mora, Lara, or anyone else for that matter..... because Team Bullshht provided a bunch of silly childish excuses to brush off any talk of Mora/Lara, but then proceeded to fight guys who were WORSE..... and yep, those guys were all "available"

Mora would have been an ideal name/opponent for Golovkin back when that fight was first mentioned, a former champ who has clearly faded is the very best opponent for a fighter who is trying to establish himself on the world stage..... and until recently Lara would have been Golovkin's best name/opponent

Golovkin would have had similar problems with Saunders that he had with Jacobs, and they will not take any risks with Golovkin..... that is what I am saying

I think some of you guys need to get out more. You build up these conspiracy theories in your heads and come to all sorts of interesting conclusions that most likely are 99% wrong. I disagree with the heart of your argument. As far as them never intending on facing Daunders because of the risk he presents and then being after Bhops record, why would they have agreed to face Daniel Jacobs then? They could have come up with something to get out of that fight if they wanted. He presents much more risk than BJS. And as far as them only wanting to fight slow footed guys who are there to be hit, what about a guy like Monroe Jr? Willie certainly isn't some badass too ranked fighter but he is a good middleweight and he can certainly move pretty well. He is a mover there is no denying that, and he doesn't line up with your theory. Based on the fact that Willie isn't slow footed guy who is there to be hit, and he has no name recognition, that fight would seem like too much risk for near zero reward. The risk coming if K2 and GGG really fear anyone who isn't slow and there to be hit like you say. I could potentially agree with some of your points but I just cannot get past the main foundation of the argument being that they don't wanna fight BJS because of any risk he brings. I just can't agree with that. BJS nearly lost his last fight to akavov at a leisure center in England. I honestly believe that many of GGGs last 10 opponents or so could beat BJS with the exception of Wade. Just my opinion there but I just can't see them fearing BJS and I think the big conspiracy you have dreamed up is just that, a conspiracy. But hell for all I know you could be right and the guys at K2 really are the slimy schemer bad guys from the Bond movies constantly concocting their evil plans. But with all that being said, I can't understand why they aren't pulling the trigger in this BJS fight

[aboutfkntime]

Ok calm down, I didn't say anything about why it didn't happen, just it would have been a good style match up, and a 'no brainer' for both fighters as you called it.

Whether Cotto's side or GGG's side is to blame in any negotiations falling apart I couldn't really care less.

but, you must have been surprised ?

considering that fight was a " no-brainer " and all ?

anyway, I cared..... so I took the time to understand why that bizarre situation occurred.....

[aboutfkntime]

I'm trying to figure out if you're trolling or do you actually believe the nonsense you're saying? I'm not even a ggg fan, I'm just a boxing fan who wants to see Canelo fight ggg and it's obvious to anyone who isn't a Canelo fan boy that the ONLY reason this fight hasn't already happened is because golden boy hasn't wanted it to happen for fear of losing their only big name fighter. You keep mentioning business but who's the one who gave up their belt and said it was for business reasons, who's the one who said he's a 154 pound fighter only to sign and fight at 164.5, who said Mexicans don't f around with ggg in the ring only to do nothing but F around with lame fights like Smith and now Chavez Jr? Golden boy has never made any offer to ggg for ggg to be canelos next fight. It's always been talk of end of 2017 because they were hoping ggg would lose or show signs of slipping. Now that he's shown signs of slipping, they may take the fight but don't act like they ever wanted the fight to happen before now. It makes you look like a pathetic Canelo fan boy.

well, I am just gonna come out and say it

you are a dumbass, most likely just a silly casual fan

the ONLY relevant facts you need to know are.....

1) Mr "anyone from 154-168" totally refused to negotiate with Canelo on weight

2) after the A-side Canelo (unbelievably) conceded on weight to the B-side Golovkin..... Mr "businessman" suddenly decided that he wants more money

FACT: Golovkin could have fought Canelo already if he was willing to be a man of his word

if you had the slightest bit of common-sense, or understood how the game of boxing works..... you would not have written that silly post

[aboutfkntime]

I think some of you guys need to get out more. You build up these conspiracy theories in your heads and come to all sorts of interesting conclusions that most likely are 99% wrong. I disagree with the heart of your argument. As far as them never intending on facing Daunders because of the risk he presents and then being after Bhops record, why would they have agreed to face Daniel Jacobs then? They could have come up with something to get out of that fight if they wanted. He presents much more risk than BJS. And as far as them only wanting to fight slow footed guys who are there to be hit, what about a guy like Monroe Jr? Willie certainly isn't some badass too ranked fighter but he is a good middleweight and he can certainly move pretty well. He is a mover there is no denying that, and he doesn't line up with your theory. Based on the fact that Willie isn't slow footed guy who is there to be hit, and he has no name recognition, that fight would seem like too much risk for near zero reward. The risk coming if K2 and GGG really fear anyone who isn't slow and there to be hit like you say. I could potentially agree with some of your points but I just cannot get past the main foundation of the argument being that they don't wanna fight BJS because of any risk he brings. I just can't agree with that. BJS nearly lost his last fight to akavov at a leisure center in England. I honestly believe that many of GGGs last 10 opponents or so could beat BJS with the exception of Wade. Just my opinion there but I just can't see them fearing BJS and I think the big conspiracy you have dreamed up is just that, a conspiracy. But hell for all I know you could be right and the guys at K2 really are the slimy schemer bad guys from the Bond movies constantly concocting their evil plans. But with all that being said, I can't understand why they aren't pulling the trigger in this BJS fight

I just explained why, dumbass

they want Hopkins record waaaaay more than WBO title

and btw, I heard all that conspiracy bullshht last time..... immediately prior to being proven correct

I will be here waiting for you to say..... I told you so

m'kay

I think that boxing is all about matchmaking

and Golovkin has been protected by some of the best matchmaking in the business

if your style is " available ", meaning that Gennady can land on you, then they back his power to win the fight..... and rightly so..... if Golovkin can land on you, then you will get that fight..... but if you are a master-boxer, like Cotto/Ward/Canelo..... or a known mover/spoiler like Lara/Mora..... then forget it

boxing has ALWAYS worked that way, so you guys are tripping if you think that Team Bullshht are cut from a different cloth..... they are taking the fights they want and are passing on the rest..... just like everyone else

and there is no point in you belittling Saunders..... or Mora, Lara, or anyone else for that matter..... because Team Bullshht provided a bunch of silly childish excuses to brush off any talk of Mora/Lara, but then proceeded to fight guys who were WORSE..... and yep, those guys were all "available"

Mora would have been an ideal name/opponent for Golovkin back when that fight was first mentioned, a former champ who has clearly faded is the very best opponent for a fighter who is trying to establish himself on the world stage..... and until recently Lara would have been Golovkin's best name/opponent

Golovkin would have had similar problems with Saunders that he had with Jacobs, and they will not take any risks with Golovkin..... that is what I am saying

[rrayvez]

well, I am just gonna come out and say it

you are a dumbass, most likely just a silly casual fan

the ONLY relevant facts you need to know are.....

1) Mr "anyone from 154-168" totally refused to negotiate with Canelo on weight

2) after the A-side Canelo (unbelievably) conceded on weight to the B-side Golovkin..... Mr "businessman" suddenly decided that he wants more money

FACT: Golovkin could have fought Canelo already if he was willing to be a man of his word

if you had the slightest bit of common-sense, or understood how the game of boxing works..... you would not have written that silly post

I'm just gonna come out and say it. 1. You're gay for Canelo because your love blinds you from the obvious truth. 2 I know more about boxing than you ever will. 3. I'd box the **** out of you if we ever met because my pet peeve is ****** fan boys who let their man crush emotions take control over common sense. 4. Find 1 person in boxing outside of golden boy who believes that ggg is the reason this fight hasn't happened. There are interviews from Virgil hunter, Bob arum, Lou dibella, Robert Garcia, Julio cesar chavez, Juan Manuel. Marquez, amir khan, Jim lampley, zurdo gonzalez, any many more who all say Canelo ducked and continues to avoid ggg. But hey, you know better than all Of those guys right? Nobody in the history of boxing other than bowe with Lewis has avoided 1 opponent so diliberately to the point that they gave away their title without a fight. By all means live in your fantasy world If it helps you to beat off to your Canelo posters at night.

[Lester Tutor]

I'm just gonna come out and say it. 1. You're gay for Canelo because your love blinds you from the obvious truth. 2 I know more about boxing than you ever will. 3. I'd box the **** out of you if we ever met because my pet peeve is ****** fan boys who let their man crush emotions take control over common sense. 4. Find 1 person in boxing outside of golden boy who believes that ggg is the reason this fight hasn't happened. There are interviews from Virgil hunter, Bob arum, Lou dibella, Robert Garcia, Julio cesar chavez, Juan Manuel. Marquez, amir khan, Jim lampley, zurdo gonzalez, any many more who all say Canelo ducked and continues to avoid ggg. But hey, you know better than all Of those guys right? Nobody in the history of boxing other than bowe with Lewis has avoided 1 opponent so diliberately to the point that they gave away their title without a fight. By all means live in your fantasy world If it helps you to beat off to your Canelo posters at night.

did you write this post in Q4 of 2015? Alvarez gonna knock out LLL

[rrayvez]

did you write this post in Q4 of 2015? Alvarez gonna knock out LLL

Canelo doesn't ko guys with a pulse. You should know this.

[AKAcronym]

Idk why you guys continually talk with these guys who have been spewing the same dumb **** for however long now. They're seriously dumb as dog****, yet they're so sure that everyone else is ******.