Comments Thread For: Weekend blowout seals the deal: Lomachenko is P4P's best man

[Shadoww702]

That you're trying to discredit Orlando Salido as some nobody journeyman says all anyone needs to know about your credibility here.

And I discredit Clowns who think losing to Salido is better than losing to Ward or Kovalov. *** even Chocolatito loss should be better than a Salido loss.

[Shadoww702]

I made up my mind when he became the first fighter in history to win the world title on his 2nd fight. Those who have Ward well you can't surpass the person you beat on a gift . I still have Kovalev ahead of Ward when Ward beats him without any help from the judges than he has earned a spot above Kovalev

See this is what I'm talking about??? Pretend or fake losses counted more than REAL losses! And like he said... "I already made up mind". Loma is going to be the best no matter what.

[sicko]

Have ZERO Problem with Loma being #1 he is in my Top 3 For sure! Ward vs Kovale II once again the winner of that hopefully this time with no controversy is a match up once again for #1 P4P so you might see that #1 Spot rotate from fighter to fighter this ERA. You likely won't see just 1 Guy at the Top at #1 as long as Mayweather was again anytime soon because of the talent WORLD WIDE now!

[joseph5620]

resumes and p4p lists are not the same thing. you don't weigh a 2010 win like you weigh a 2017 win on a p4p list. you also need to use your imagination a hell of a lot more if you're comparing weight classes through an abstraction whereby you handicap for size.


ward was also on the deck and most people thought the lost his last fight. if he'd won the kovalev fight by a wide margin i don't think this would be a discussion. but he didn't. ward's actually looking like he's declined a bit, and rightfully so. he had several layoffs and they amounted to him fighting less than once a year for many years. that's hugely damaging to a pro boxer. and he's not showing the kind of skill, offensive potency, and talent that lomachenko is showing currently.


frankly i don't think ward would have much of a chance if they were the same size. he'd need to hold, smother, make it dirty, the way he did against kovalev. lomachenko's just a better fighter at this point in his career. and that's why its' a p4p list and not a comparison of the resumes.

A resume is what determines how good a fighter really is. So a resume is part of a pound for pound discussion. You can't leave it out. Fighting and beating the best fighters is a huge part of the discussion.


Claiming that Ward would have "no chance" if they were the same size is beyond ridiculous.

[Realizniguhnit]

Maybe top 5 but he just beat a guy who started boxing at age 21. If that's all it took for him to become p4p #1 then he should have been there before last Saturday....

[New England]

A resume is what determines how good a fighter really is. So a resume is part of a pound for pound discussion. You can't leave it out. Fighting and beating the best fighters is a huge part of the discussion.


Claiming that Ward would have "no chance" if they were the same size is beyond ridiculous.

parts or even all of a resume are not inherent parts of a p4p discussion. the best active resume in boxing right now is manny pacquiao. most of his very best wins were over a decade ago. few of his best wins are within the last five years. he'd knock a similar sized sergey kovalev into next week if he was in his prime. but he's not. you don't need the whole resume to tell you that. look at his last, or his last couple of fights, and use your eyes. you don't need to head to boxrec to tell you that. i never said a resume wasn't an aspect of the discussion. i said a comparison of resume and a pound for pound list are different things.


ward fought once in '13. once in '15. didn't have a single fight in '14. looked like he'd lost a real step in his tune ups, and a slight but significant majority of people thought he lost his last fight. and he had to do a lot of holding to be successful, he was actually losing the jabbing and boxing contest on the outside and was even dropped. he's on the dark side of 30 and he's been in rough fights and had well documented injuries to his hand and shoulder.


lomachenko on the other hand gets better every time he fights. he's been very active throughout his career. ward's declining, and lomachenko is remaining at his physical peak while learning and developing his learned skillset.


and no, ward wouldn't be able to hit lomachenko cleanly. he's just not as sharp as he used to be. and who of the two is the better p4p puncher? the deck would be stacked against ward. he'd need to pull a rabbit out of his hat more than the younger, faster, bigger puncher. if you don't understand that there's not much i can do for you. lomachenko's angles would be kryptonite to a guy who would need to pick a spot to get a glove on you so he can work. you can't hit what you can't see, and you sure as hell can't clinch it, either.

[joseph5620]

parts or even all of a resume are not inherent parts of a p4p discussion. the best active resume in boxing right now is manny pacquiao. most of his very best wins were over a decade ago. few of his best wins are within the last five years. he'd knock a similar sized sergey kovalev into next week if he was in his prime. but he's not. you don't need the whole resume to tell you that. look at his last, or his last couple of fights, and use your eyes. you don't need to head to boxrec to tell you that. i never said a resume wasn't an aspect of the discussion. i said a comparison of resume and a pound for pound list are different things.


ward fought once in '13. once in '15. didn't have a single fight in '14. looked like he'd lost a real step in his tune ups, and a slight but significant majority of people thought he lost his last fight. and he had to do a lot of holding to be successful, he was actually losing the jabbing and boxing contest on the outside and was even dropped. he's on the dark side of 30 and he's been in rough fights and had well documented injuries to his hand and shoulder.


lomachenko on the other hand gets better every time he fights. he's been very active throughout his career. ward's declining, and lomachenko is remaining at his physical peak while learning and developing his learned skillset.


and no, ward wouldn't be able to hit lomachenko cleanly. he's just not as sharp as he used to be. and who of the two is the better p4p puncher? the deck would be stacked against ward. he'd need to pull a rabbit out of his hat more than the younger, faster, bigger puncher. if you don't understand that there's not much i can do for you. lomachenko's angles would be kryptonite to a guy who would need to pick a spot to get a glove on you so he can work. you can't hit what you can't see, and you sure as hell can't clinch it, either.

Pacquiao has also been knocked out cold and lost a clear decision to Mayweather. So its's understandable that he isn't in the discussion.


I also didn't say that resume was an exclusive factor when determining the best fighter pound for pound. But it sure as hell is a part of it.

[just the facts]

come on lol, you cant have lomachenko ahead of golovkin in the pound for pound rankings....

Why not? Dominate wins over Nicholas and especially Russell easily shyts all over the one quality win (very close decision) g string has.

[BlackSoul]

this right here is why this makes me & others DISLIKE lomachenko
WHO IN TF HAS HE BEATEN?

[MDPopescu]

Who has beaten Ward?

Is Froch a so much better win than Walters or Russel jr?

Was his win over Kova a legit P4P win since most people thought he was outclassed?

I'm not saying Lomo is P4P the best, I'm just saying Ward isn't.

The idea is what do you like to watch -- a boxer or a trickster? In my view, Crawford is much better than Ward...