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  • BlakBread904
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    #31
    Originally posted by Gillie
    I don't think anybody is upset that the fight got made. Any boxing fan is most probably in eager anticipation. However, it doesn't change the fact that Ward's behavior in the weeks and months after the fight, suggested that he didn't want to fight Kovalev again. He spoke of retirement and not having to prove anything. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he was backed into a corner and decided to fight. That said, now that it is signed, it is one of the biggest fights in boxing. You should learn to differentiate the drama that people tend to dislike from the actual fight itself and not get so emotionally affected.
    Did you ever consider that Andre's retirement talk was merely an attempt to gain leverage?

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    • Gillie
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      #32
      Originally posted by BlakBread904
      Did you ever consider that Andre's retirement talk was merely an attempt to gain leverage?
      Yes I did and if that was in fact the case, then I stand corrected. I am just not sure that we will ever know if it was in fact a negotiating ploy or he was forced into it. Either way, they are fighting again and it will be good. Peace.

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      • hitking
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        #33
        Originally posted by Gillie
        I don't think anybody is upset that the fight got made. Any boxing fan is most probably in eager anticipation. However, it doesn't change the fact that Ward's behavior in the weeks and months after the fight, suggested that he didn't want to fight Kovalev again. He spoke of retirement and not having to prove anything. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he was backed into a corner and decided to fight. That said, now that it is signed, it is one of the biggest fights in boxing. You should learn to differentiate the drama that people tend to dislike from the actual fight itself and not get so emotionally affected.
        Ward acted like he's acted his entire career. Like a diva. It has nothing to do with Kovalev. He acted the same way regarding a Froch rematch. And he beat Froch easily. The guy is what he is. None of these guys are scared of each other. That's the soap opera bull**** that today's fans tend to salivate over. Honestly, I don't even follow any of the drama.

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        • Gillie
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          #34
          Originally posted by hitking
          Ward acted like he's acted his entire career. Like a diva. It has nothing to do with Kovalev. He acted the same way regarding a Froch rematch. And he beat Froch easily. The guy is what he is. None of these guys are scared of each other. That's the soap opera bull**** that today's fans tend to salivate over. Honestly, I don't even follow any of the drama.
          Fair enough. So all of that said, how do u see it playing out? The general consensus is that Ward will just continue where he left off and probably win a clearer UD this time. I just feel as though Kovalev does not have enough time to get an in fighting game and Ward's iq is too high. Kovalev may employ an all out assault early which could lead to him catching Ward cold but that's a risky strategy in case he gases out.
          Last edited by Gillie; 04-08-2017, 02:40 PM.

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            #35
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            Originally Posted by mike1010011 View Post
            "Andre ward didn't have to do it. But he did." See,that's just plain wrong. The first fight had an rematch clause,which kovalev used. Ward was legally obligated to give him the rematch,or they would have met in court instead of the ring. A little research goes a long way.

            Originally posted by Mr. Luthor
            Incorrect because Ward could have retired, vacated the belts and/or switched divisions. A rematch was not Ward's only option.
            If Ward doesn't do this fight, he'll forever be laughed outta town at any boxing event he shows up at. So yeah, he HAS to do it. He's been backed into a corner, which he hates.

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              #36
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              Originally Posted by !! Shawn View Post
              He didn't have to do it? Umm.. pretty sure he signed a contract that said he did.

              Originally posted by Metho_4u
              Signing a piece of paper cannot force a man into a fight.
              Maybe not, but it can sure as he!! force him into the poor house.

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                #37
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                Originally Posted by !! Shawn View Post
                He didn't have to do it? Umm.. pretty sure he signed a contract that said he did.

                Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::.
                Or he could had just retired with all the money he made from the previous two fights AND that one?
                Retire? With what? The HBO commentator pay? Cuz in court, he'd have lost enough money to sink a ship.

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                • hitking
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Gillie
                  Fair enough. So all of that said, how do u see it playing out? The general consensus is that Ward will just continue where he left off and probably win a clearer UD this time. I just feel as though Kovalev does not have enough time to get an in fighting game and Ward's iq is too high. Kovalev may employ an all out assault early which could lead to him catching Ward cold but that's a risky strategy in case he gases out.
                  I give the edge to Kovalev. I thought Kovalev won a close fight watching it live. Every time I've watched since, I've scored it for Ward. The fight played out about like I expected. I thought Kovalev would take the early rounds, even hurt or drop Ward. But I thought once Ward figured him out, Ward would take over and separate himself. And there's the problem I see for Ward. Wars figured Kovalev out. But when he did, he never seperates himself. Kovalev very much held his own in the "boxing match." And that's what surprised me. Ward's bodywork went very much unnoticed by Kovalev's supporters. And I think it was that bodywork that slowed down Kovalev enough for Ward to edge him in several rounds down the stretch.

                  I'm giving Kovalev the edge in this one because I just think it means more to him. Kovalev is a fighter. And he's not thinking about anything but fighting. Ward's has a lot of other interest. And he's already thinking about his post-boxing life. Plus, I don't think Ward can do much better than he did in the first fight. To me, Ward's performance in that fight reminded me of Roy Jones in the first Target fight. A great champion that's never been challenged. Having to dig down and gut out a win against a guy that's all he can handle. Roy didn't have much left after that fight. I have a feeling that Ward may have emptied his tank in the first fight and doesn't have much left to offer. Or at the very least I'm not sure boxing means enough to him at this point to wanna dig down that deep again.

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                  • PunchyPotorff
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                    #39
                    "Andre Ward didn’t have to do it. But he did."

                    Yeah, he was backed into a corner. Fight Kov, or lose a big slice of that retirement money he's likely set aside. In court.

                    "...pulling himself off the canvas in the first fight to claw his way back against one of the most prominent finishers in the sport should have proven a lot."

                    Most don't think he 'pulled himself back'. They think (rightfully so) that he got the nod because of his name and prestige. Sure, he did well in the 2nd half... but was getting beaten up in the first half. And Kov was champ.... hence, the logical choice as winner.

                    "In Ward’s case, Roc Nation Sports clearly isn’t doing enough to enhance his visibility."

                    Wouldn't make much of any difference if he was on TV daily. The general consensus is the guy is a boring fighter to watch. That's just the way it has always been with him, and will always be. THAT is why he isn't popular enough in his own hometown to fill the venue.

                    Anything in terms of low numbers for this (or any) Ward fight... comes down to Ward. He's talented, yes. But he's also a bore to watch for most fans.

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                    • Metho_4u
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by PunchyPotorff
                      "Andre Ward didn’t have to do it. But he did."

                      Yeah, he was backed into a corner. Fight Kov, or lose a big slice of that retirement money he's likely set aside. In court.

                      "...pulling himself off the canvas in the first fight to claw his way back against one of the most prominent finishers in the sport should have proven a lot."

                      Most don't think he 'pulled himself back'. They think (rightfully so) that he got the nod because of his name and prestige. Sure, he did well in the 2nd half... but was getting beaten up in the first half. And Kov was champ.... hence, the logical choice as winner.

                      "In Ward’s case, Roc Nation Sports clearly isn’t doing enough to enhance his visibility."

                      Wouldn't make much of any difference if he was on TV daily. The general consensus is the guy is a boring fighter to watch. That's just the way it has always been with him, and will always be. THAT is why he isn't popular enough in his own hometown to fill the venue.

                      Anything in terms of low numbers for this (or any) Ward fight... comes down to Ward. He's talented, yes. But he's also a bore to watch for most fans.
                      Really, the general consensus is your dislike for Ward, thus you have posted only negative things about him. We all have fighters we don't like, but he beat kovalev, and imo he will beat him again.

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