Comments Thread For: Boxing's Pound For Pound Debate Is Tougher Than Ever

[The D3vil]

let's try to be consistent. Ward/Kovalev was being promoted for over a year as the fight to decide the #1 p4p boxer. many critics and even other boxers agreed that whoever won that fight deserved #1 spot.

afterwards it changed to since the fight was so debatable we can't give Ward the #1 spot yet.

GGG/Jacobs was just as debatable so therefore we can't give GGG the #1 spot either. but if we're forgetting all that then the only way to decide is comparing quality of opponents. Kovalev > Jacobs. therefore Ward's win was more impressive than GGG's win.

but if we stay consistent with the argument that we can't have a p4p king coming off a close fight than neither GGG nor Ward deserve the top spot. likewise Chocolatito can't be #1 either and he actually has to drop further because his opponent was unknown with a padded record.

that leaves guys like Lomachenko, Crawford and Mikey.

Rigo shouldn't even be discussed due to inactivity.

Thurman also needs more love in these discussions since he has wins over two prime welterweights. Pacquiao should also be in the mix since imo he's still top dog at 147 until someone beats him and his resume is head n shoulders above anybody.

Canelo never gets props either with wins over Lara, Trout, Cotto and being the new "face" of boxing.

so if we're eliminating guys coming off close fights we must drop Ward, GGG and Chocolatito from #1.

between Crawford, Mikey, Loma, Pacquiao, Thurman and Canelo who's more worthy of #1 spot? that's also debatable.

in a recent interview Virgil Hunter said it best "pound for pound seems to be more about HOW you look winning as opposed to WHO you beat."

Yeah, this is basically how I ended up with Crawford as my no.1

GGG, Kov, Ward, Chocolatito have all either lost or (in the opinions of many) deserved to lose recently.

I can't give it to Canelo, because many think he deserved to lose to Trout & Lara.

Crawford is dominating a weaker division, true, but he's been consistent.

Loma's the best P4Per to me, but he's only fought 8 times and lost one of those.

There is no real P4Per to me. I just went with Crawford by default.

Ward shouldn't even be in the top ten! He won a fight he actually lost by most accounts and is now hiding from a rematch. He should be lumped in with the carny groups of fighters like Alverez .

Stop it, they just fought in November and are probably gonna do it again in June or July. You can't be a ducker after only 6 months after beating somebody. That's ridiculous.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

He just fought the #1 p4p fighter in the world to within a point. Ward is levels above Walters and Gary Russell.

Kovalev also struggled hard against Chilemba. Anyone who watched that fight knows it was a Kovalev win by only 1-3 points, despite the judges scorecard. Chilemba isn't even a top 5 fighter in the division. Heck, I don't think anyone thought he was a top 10 fighter at the time of the fight, either.

Ward is a great fighter and all, but he moved up in weight. His strongest performances will always be at 168. That makes Kovalev's performance seem even lesser. Losing to another fighter who moved up in weight.

Donaire was not a p4p win when Walters beat him.

Kovalev brutalized numerous top 10 light heavyweights and well earned his spot near the top of p4p lists. He beat 2 of the 3 other best light heavyweights. Combined with how well he fought against Ward, he's easily deserving of a top 2 spot.

Donaire was around #10 at that time. He was either borderline depending on how good you felt Rigondeaux was at that time, or in there. Regardless, Walters beat him cleanly and by TKO. Kovalev has NO WIN against a better ranked opponent.

Also, see above about Kovalev's performance against Chilemba.

Either way: Walter's was undefeated coming into his fight vs. Lomachenko, and had already proven himself easily at 125 and 130 after he was robbed against Sosa.

[Shadoww702]

Kovalev also struggled hard against Chilemba. Anyone who watched that fight knows it was a Kovalev win by only 1-3 points, despite the judges scorecard. Chilemba isn't even a top 5 fighter in the division. Heck, I don't think anyone thought he was a top 10 fighter at the time of the fight, either.

Ward is a great fighter and all, but he moved up in weight. His strongest performances will always be at 168. That makes Kovalev's performance seem even lesser. Losing to another fighter who moved up in weight.




Donaire was around #10 at that time. He was either borderline depending on how good you felt Rigondeaux was at that time, or in there. Regardless, Walters beat him cleanly and by TKO. Kovalev has NO WIN against a better ranked opponent.

Also, see above about Kovalev's performance against Chilemba.

Either way: Walter's was undefeated coming into his fight vs. Lomachenko, and had already proven himself easily at 125 and 130 after he was robbed against Sosa.

Are you REALLY saying what I think your saying???? That Walters is better than Kovalov????

[Pigeons]

so, completely remove GGG from your list, and rank Pac #1

IDK. In the past 5 years Pacquiao was knocked out by Marquez and got outclassed by Mayweather. He also has an official decision loss to Bradley in that time.

[Shadoww702]

Kovalev also struggled hard against Chilemba. Anyone who watched that fight knows it was a Kovalev win by only 1-3 points, despite the judges scorecard. Chilemba isn't even a top 5 fighter in the division. Heck, I don't think anyone thought he was a top 10 fighter at the time of the fight, either.

Ward is a great fighter and all, but he moved up in weight. His strongest performances will always be at 168. That makes Kovalev's performance seem even lesser. Losing to another fighter who moved up in weight.




Donaire was around #10 at that time. He was either borderline depending on how good you felt Rigondeaux was at that time, or in there. Regardless, Walters beat him cleanly and by TKO. Kovalev has NO WIN against a better ranked opponent.

Also, see above about Kovalev's performance against Chilemba.

Either way: Walter's was undefeated coming into his fight vs. Lomachenko, and had already proven himself easily at 125 and 130 after he was robbed against Sosa.

Walters also ALWAYS weighed 1-2 weight CLASSES HIGHER than everyone else he fought!



LOST his BELT because he's to F'n LAZY and undisciplined!!!

"NICHOLAS WALTERS FAILS TO MAKE WEIGHT, LOSES WBA FEATHERWEIGHT BELT"


And NOW has the WORST LABEL you can call ANY fighter...

HBO Embarrassed by Walters’ No Mas!


YET you HAVE him being BETTER than Kovalov??? I've read many, many ****** comments over the years??? But your is by FAR the MOST DUMBEST, RTardest, Just beyond intelligent I've EVER READ!!!!

So HOPEFULLY....

A. Your Walters Wife
B. His MOM
C. Suking his...
D. There is no D. Except if your doing number C???

[Shadoww702]

Kovalev also struggled hard against Chilemba. Anyone who watched that fight knows it was a Kovalev win by only 1-3 points, despite the judges scorecard. Chilemba isn't even a top 5 fighter in the division. Heck, I don't think anyone thought he was a top 10 fighter at the time of the fight, either.

Ward is a great fighter and all, but he moved up in weight. His strongest performances will always be at 168. That makes Kovalev's performance seem even lesser. Losing to another fighter who moved up in weight.




Donaire was around #10 at that time. He was either borderline depending on how good you felt Rigondeaux was at that time, or in there. Regardless, Walters beat him cleanly and by TKO. Kovalev has NO WIN against a better ranked opponent.

Also, see above about Kovalev's performance against Chilemba.

Either way: Walter's was undefeated coming into his fight vs. Lomachenko, and had already proven himself easily at 125 and 130 after he was robbed against Sosa.

Donaire was the TRU FIGHTER!!! *** Walters!!! Looked like he was at LEAST 147lbs!




I'm GLAD Loma beat the SHT out of this POS QUITTER!!!!

[boxingitis]

This is simple, use your common sense: in lower weights it's easiest be multichamp.

Name most of them. Most of the multiple division champions are from 126-160. They start young and 15 ( in Mexico and Philiphines) till they are 35. Mayority of people dont weight 105 lbs.

[Mexican_Puppet]

Name most of them. Most of the multiple division champions are from 126-160. They start young and 15 ( in Mexico and Philiphines) till they are 35. Mayority of people dont weight 105 lbs.

Jorge Arce is a 5 division champ, Chocolatito is a 4 division champ, Leo Gámez is a 4 division champ.

Ricardo Lopez 2 division champ, Leo Santa Cruz 3 division champ, Nietes 3 division champ, Montiel 3 division champ.

Do you want more?

[UNBIASED BOXING]

Walters also ALWAYS weighed 1-2 weight CLASSES HIGHER than everyone else he fought!



LOST his BELT because he's to F'n LAZY and undisciplined!!!

"NICHOLAS WALTERS FAILS TO MAKE WEIGHT, LOSES WBA FEATHERWEIGHT BELT"


And NOW has the WORST LABEL you can call ANY fighter...

HBO Embarrassed by Walters’ No Mas!


YET you HAVE him being BETTER than Kovalov??? I've read many, many ****** comments over the years??? But your is by FAR the MOST DUMBEST, RTardest, Just beyond intelligent I've EVER READ!!!!

So HOPEFULLY....

A. Your Walters Wife
B. His MOM
C. Suking his...
D. There is no D. Except if your doing number C???

#1 Did Walters make weight against Donaire?

#2 Does Kovalev have a better win on his resume than Donaire, or does Kovalev have a win on his resume against a fighter who was ranked higher than Donaire?

#3 Can you dispute either case, or are you going to stfu?

[-DSG-]

1. Ward
2. Kovalev
3. GGG
4. Chocolatito
5. Lomachenko
6. Pacquiao
7. Canelo
8. Rigondeaux
9. Thurman
10. Santa Cruz