Comments Thread For: Boxing's Pound For Pound Debate Is Tougher Than Ever

[bojangles1987]

It just feels wrong to list either Ward or Kovalev over each other, and no one else has a better case than they do.

[bojangles1987]

Who does Kovalev have that puts him top 3 P4P? 50 year old Hopkins? A close win over Chilemba?

Lomachenko schooled Walters. Walters had a P4P win over Donaire, and beat all his competition just as well as Kovalev (including that bs draw).


I'll say it before and I'll say it again: if we are going to rate Kovalev by eyetest, we should apply the same logic to Lomachenko.

Donaire was not a p4p win when Walters beat him.

Kovalev brutalized numerous top 10 light heavyweights and well earned his spot near the top of p4p lists. He beat 2 of the 3 other best light heavyweights. Combined with how well he fought against Ward, he's easily deserving of a top 2 spot.

[aboutfkntime]

If you look at p4p as "who would win all things being equal" you can see it's a useless discussion.
In that scenario you might have Gonzales in a match up vs Joshua.
How would you equalize that fight? Theoretically they fight at the same weight and keep their skills. So the heavyweight keeps his punching power and the super flyweight keeps his speed, footwork, defense and combination punching.
You're comparing apples and oranges and that's a waste of energy. Energy that might be used hating on some other guys favorite fighter. lol

now you know why you very rarely see a P4P heavyweight

[aboutfkntime]

That's why it needs to be done based on resume.

nah, that would be a current ATG list

who would win if all things are equal is the main criteria

P4P is horribly over-rated

[S7V7N]

P4P means the best fighter in the sport at this particular moment. I hate to nitpick and incredibly talented fighter like Lomachenko but he has a recent loss whereas other fighters don't. Everybody knows I'm a Crawford guy but he has no wins over top p4p opponents. He needs the Pacquiao fight to lay a claim. Crawford and GGG are in the same boat.

Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev are clearly the 1-2 at the moment. Ward based on overall body of work and unifying belts in 2 weight classes. Kovalev because of unifying belts in one weight class and arguably beating (if not coming in with a point of beating) another top p4p fighter in Ward.

With that logic, your list should look something like this:

1. Ward (if you think he won. If not, Kov)
2. Kovalev (if you think he lost. If not move him to 1)
3. GGG
4. Crawford
5. Lomachenko

Well reasoned except for the the Gonzalez omission. Do we really let Judges scorecards trump our own? I'd also switch Krusher & SoG.

Aren't we talking about if everything was even? To me, it's about who wins "if" the same weight. Same day weigh ins! Not this avoiding belts to gain more size advantage! GGG showed some flaws, but not like Roman & SoG. Both going down. He has been the most dominant fighter though. Still not the resume, I get that. But this is still what I see.

1 - Golovkin
2 - Gonzalez
3 - Kovalev
4 - Ward
5 - Crawford
6 - Lomachenko
7 - Pacquiao
8 - M. Garcia
9 - Rigo
10 - Canelo

Why Gennady GGG Golovkin Beat Daniel Jacobs (Landed Punches Count)

Why Sergey Kovalev Beat Andre Ward (Landed Punches Count)

Why Chocolatito Gonzalez Beat Sor Rungvisai (Landed Punches Count)

[gmc_rfc_06]

I'm of the belief that Lomachenko, Kovalev and Ward are the top 3, I have no doubt about that. Rank them as you will.

I think Kovalev won that fight, therefore I have him above Ward. In terms of talent and ability I believe Lomachenko is the best fighter in the world.

From there you can take Rigondeaux, Crawford, Golovkin, Canelo, Gonzalez, etc...and list them wherever you like. It's very much open to debate.

[aboutfkntime]

Well reasoned except for the the Gonzalez omission. Do we really let Judges scorecards trump our own? I'd also switch Krusher & SoG.

Aren't we talking about if everything was even? To me, it's about who wins "if" the same weight. Same day weigh ins! Not this avoiding belts to gain more size advantage! GGG showed some flaws, but not like Roman & SoG. Both going down. He has been the most dominant fighter though. Still not the resume, I get that. But this is still what I see.

1 - Golovkin
2 - Gonzalez
3 - Kovalev
4 - Ward
5 - Crawford
6 - Lomachenko
7 - Pacquiao
8 - M. Garcia
9 - Rigo
10 - Canelo

Why Gennady GGG Golovkin Beat Daniel Jacobs (Landed Punches Count)

Why Sergey Kovalev Beat Andre Ward (Landed Punches Count)

Why Chocolatito Gonzalez Beat Sor Rungvisai (Landed Punches Count)

wow, what a coincidence..... considering that you obviously love him, and all that

[Lester Tutor]

HBO labeled Ward vs Kovalev "Pound For Pound" fight. Kellerman thought Ward won or else he would've bluntly stated that Kova''s face in the interview post ring that Ward lost... Hence, "Pound For Pound"

[doom_specialist]

People are working hard to not give Andre Ward his credit lol

[Pigeons]

nah, that would be a current ATG list

who would win if all things are equal is the main criteria

P4P is horribly over-rated

No because you have to also consider how close the boxer is to their prime. Simply judging skills is a foolish chore because guys rarely fight the best in boxing, I'm not going to reward them with a spot on the pound for pound list until they prove it vs. the best.