Comments Thread For: No Robbery at MSG, But Golovkin's Future Plans are Criminal

[hitking]

Actually what it does show is that Jacobs couldn't draw flies to ***** since the numbers seem to be at best equal o what GGG did with Lemieux. So all the hubub about how GGG needs to rematch Jacobs might just be coming from the 5 GGG haters posting on this forum. No one else gives a crap which is a damned shame.

The more I think about it I think the bigger problem is with the PPV model of the event.These guys (GGG, Jacobs, Gonzales) are big names but they aren't stars capable of selling big ppv numbers so why are they charging $65 for the event? It makes sense to see if they can get more viewers by charging $40-$45. These guys are going to have to be willing to accept less guaranteed money in order to strengthen the undercard. There is no reason why Gonzalez and Cuadras are wasting time fighting no-names on the same card. Let them fight each other and add in another quality fight to fill the slot. And if the guy in fighting GGG is a PBC fighter why not have a genuine co-promotion. Bring in some of their guys on the card. Or do what the UFC does and have a free tv portion of the card to promote the PPV before the actual event.

I don't know. These are just ideas. But its clear that if HBO wants to keep trotting GGG out in PPVs they are going to have to step up their promotional game. The same ole thing just doesn't seem to work.

Bruh, you can blame the B-side when an event doesn't sell. GGG struggles on PPV for a couple reasons. The biggest being nobody cares about him. Secondly, his competition is mediocre. Which is what I've tried to tell you 100×. People care about names, not belts. The biggest Post-Floyd-Manny show was Canelo-Cotto. And Cotto vacated his belt the week of the fight. And they still did nearly a million buys. GGG needs names. Obviously Canelo is the biggest. If not Canelo, fight Ward or Kovalev. Put recognizable names in the ring with each other and people will buy it.

As for a Jacobs rematch. I think the closeness of the first fight will make the second fight draw better. Its not just "five haters on this forum" that thought Jacobs won. A lot of people thought Jacobs won. And even more think that even if he did lose, he earned a rematch. Floyd didn't become a PPV star because he had adoring fans shelling out dollars to see him do victory laps. He became a PPV star because people wanted to see him lose. And he fought guys that people thought had a chance to beat. Maybe if GGG upped the level of competition and fought some guys that people actually think have a chance to beat him, he'd draw a lil better. People think Jacobs can beat him. That's a better selling point that GGG has ever had in his career.

[robertzimmerman]

1. If you thought Oscar/Floyd was close, that tells me all I need to know about your boxing IQ

2. BJS is a bum

3. the one who should be embarrassed is YOU!

It was a close fight, but an overall clean win for Floyd.

Billy Joe Saunders isn't a bum. When he's on form and he's focused, he brings a lot to the table. He got a lot of ability.

Please don't quote me again.

Thanks.

[robertzimmerman]

Floyd didn't really care about belts. But I'm glad you brought him up. Floyd took a lot of flack for his opponent selection, particularly as a welterweight. But if you look at his welterweight and jr middleweight resume. Pretty much everyone he fought was either a reigning beltholdrr or mandatory. And he had several unification fights. So if GGG's belt quest is such a great thing. Why was Floyd criticized for basically doing the same thing?

I really don't want to talk about Floyd on here. I was just pointing out that the circumstances were very different. We both know why Floyd gets criticism.

GG's belt quest isn't truly a great thing, but it should be respected. His goals are only the same as almost every other fighter's.

[robertzimmerman]

good god.....

genius..... who cares about Saunders belt, if Golovkin cannot beat Jacobs convincingly?

who gives a fk about his " dreams " you fkn muppet

I'm sure Danny Jacobs also has dreams

I can't stand you creepy cvnts LMAO

He cares about the belt you ****ing imbecile. He'd already negotiated with Saunders before he fought Jacobs. Put yourself in his shoes. Why pursue Jacobs again right away, when he has the opportunity to become the undisputed champ in his own country? You can criticise him if he doesn't give Jacobs a rematch in the FUTURE.

I'm sure if Jacobs was in the same position, you'd have absolutely no problems with his actions.

Keep hating you cretin.

[aboutfkntime]

Ah, he doesn't want a unified champion anymore than the rest of the boxing media does. Pathetic. I wish GGG the best in unifying the title and bringing some dignity back to the sport. Pound for pound is BS anyway. He should take BJS down and unify the division. Then we'll get some decent middleweight fights and contenders will be forced to fight each other rather than hiding behind four different titles and defending against clowns. GGG is on the right path.

Danny Jacobs is currently holding Gennady's dignity

not Billy Joe Saunders

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Danny Jacobs is currently holding Gennady's dignity

not Billy Joe Saunders

Yeah I know you hate the guy. Well, just as you lovingly put to me when Ward got the nod over Kovalev, "Stay salty."

[hitking]

Danny Jacobs is currently holding Gennady's dignity

not Billy Joe Saunders

"Dignity" is probably too strong a word for what Jacobs currently holds over GGG. But you're definitely more in tuned to what boxing is really about. Being "undisputed" champ isn't about collecting belts. Its about there being no doubt that you are THE MAN in that division. Danny created enough doubt in enough people's minds whether GGG is the unquestioned best middleweight in the world. So GGG can have 100 belts. Until he erases the doubt that Danny created this past Sat, he won't be the UNDISPUTED MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION. he'll just be a goofy looking PeeWee Herman looking muf.ucka with a bunch of belts.

[aboutfkntime]

BS, don't lump me in with the 'tards

I like Ward (actually shelled out the cash to take my son to Vegas to watch him fight) but saying that he has more "integrity" or "respects contracts" more than GGG is horse-**** and try selling that to the judge or the Goosen family.

What's more, I have NEVER said that GGG was an ATG or would beat X, Y or Z from the past.

Having said that, if you don't think that he would have at least have a chance with Hopkins, who struggled to get past Echols (not in the same class as Jacobs) and lost twice, albeit controversially to Taylor (no better than Jacobs) then you dont know what you are talking about.

As for Lara, the guy has done nothing to force a fight with GGG as evidenced by his choice of opponents and the timing of his statements

And now to Canelo.

In the last 18 months or so, he has:

a. attempted to drag Cotto up to 157 before refusing to fight GGG above 155 (smokescreen - never going to happen);

b. dragged a chinny WW to 155 just so they could market the fight as the "MW Championship of the World.":gay:;

c. Called out GGG before shamelessly ducking him;

d. Ran away to 154 to save face and fought the worst kind of paper champion rather than fight anybody with a pulse;

e. Skipped 160 altogether to fight at 164.5 despite not being a MW LMFAO; aaaand

the coup de gras

f. being found liable for $8.5 million due to breach of contract

He has no honor, no integrity and no respect for the rule of law

The kid is a turd of the worst kind and the sooner he is starched (and it will happen), the better boxing will be.

nobody said that, I was referring to the fans

do I think that Ward is cut from a different cloth than Golovkin?

abso-fkn-lutely I do..... they have very little in common in that regard

Ward will OBVIOUSLY rematch Kovalev, if you bit on those retirement comments then you haven't been following the sport and know nothing about Ward.

Ward is a student of the game, and he understands the path to true greatness..... Ward KNOWS you have to be real and get in there with those bad boys..... NOT JUST ONCE, again, and again, and again..... Golovkin has no regard for legacy whatsoever according to Abel Sanchez

I have a link to a Ward video where he talks about the path to greatness..... so we CAN hang him on his own words if he fails to front up..... AND I have a link to a video where Sanchez confirms that Golovkin has little/no regard for legacy..... "he see's it differently"..... just ask

Ward would not have talked shht about 154, and then refused to negotiate with Cotto/Canelo..... Ward would not have made a pile of embarrassing excuses to avoid Lara/Mora..... Ward would not have mentioned 168 and then demanded a 164lb catchweight

Ward is 100% REAL, Gennady is 100% manufactured

the bashing of Ward all because he dared to call out Golovkin AFTER they mentioned fighting at 168, in Ward's division..... was truly insane

NOT saying that Gennady is not an outstanding fighter, because he obviously is..... but he has been more than content with the training wheels that Loeffler cunningly fitted to his career..... he has done NOTHING to reach for greatness, actually avoiding potential marquee fights

I watched 2 podcasts last night, BOTH stated that fight was a great experience for Golovkin, what with the 12 rounds, Jacobs style, the adversity, etc.....

..... but, shouldn't they have been saying that fight was a great experience for the younger, more inexperienced, Danny Jacobs?

funny shht when the vaunted killer gained valuable experience from the unheralded rookie

regarding Canelo..... fk him..... and fk Golovkin too, for not simply picking up that chq and fighting Canelo

[aboutfkntime]

I am sure GGG has trouble sleeping at night trying to figure out how to impress you.

GGG outlanded Jacobs. GGG dropped Jacobs. If that isn't convincing enough to you that's fine. It was a close fight. Jacobs is a great fighter. But GGG took the challenge and came out ahead. Just because Jacobs isn't getting an immediate rematch it doesn't mean he's not getting one. And while Jacobs stays busy by trying getting Sergio Mora in the ring for a 3rd time GGG will be unifying the belts.

is it because of all those " dreams " ?

[aboutfkntime]

He cares about the belt you ****ing imbecile. He'd already negotiated with Saunders before he fought Jacobs. Put yourself in his shoes. Why pursue Jacobs again right away, when he has the opportunity to become the undisputed champ in his own country? You can criticise him if he doesn't give Jacobs a rematch in the FUTURE.

I'm sure if Jacobs was in the same position, you'd have absolutely no problems with his actions.

Keep hating you cretin.

right, and we think he's a b1tch for avoiding Jacobs

sounds fair