Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Tabs Golovkin as The Top Pound for Pound Fighter

[g27region]

And your trying to hype Walters up like he was some HUGE threat???

Because
a) Walters accomplished more in pro and amateur boxing compared to Postol therefore he's a better win

b) Walters was the best possible win that Loma could get at that time. I don't remember fans were asking for Loma/Berchelt or Loma/Corrales but they were saying that Walters is the biggest challenge for Loma, don't try to deny it - Walters was the guy to beat for Loma. Name me one fighter not named Garcia (who's not 130 and was rusty at that moment) who wouldn't be a cakewalk for Loma at 130? Only one name, I don't need more

I remember that countless amount of threads that Walters can KO Loma with ease or Loma ducking Walters, but the same posters got short memory, I guess

[yammy25]

Entertain me, how is middleweight any weaker than current welterweight division?

Pacquiao is the only fighter that stands out here, an ATG, on the verge of retirement who is cashing out.

Otherwise you have

Welterweight - Thurman, Garcia, Brook, Porter, Spence (Khan+Berto)

Middleweight - Golovkin, Canelo, Jacobs, Saunders, Lemieux, Charlo, N'Jikam, Eubank (Selucki, Stevens, 'chenko + Murata)

Wheres your logic ? Thurman and Garcia both had vacant titles at the weight. Brook has 1 good win, relative to the division. Spence has beaten no-one. This assumption needs defending

Charlo hasnt even fought yet, Saunders is piss poor. ( akavov fight anyone ) and gets outboxed by Eubank in a rematch who hasnt got the power to go up against anyone with a punch and a shred of technical ability.

Lemiuex has power and thats it, gets nullified by jabs and cant box inside to save his life.

Are you actually stating that Garcias resume is bad? People were saying if he beat thurman he deserved to be in the top 10 current P4P?! Thurman speaks for himself because he just outboxed that very same danny garcia resoundingly.

Anyone with any shred of dignity will admit that Brook is an extremely good fighter and is worthy of being called world/ a-level irrespective of whether they like him or not and that porter win is still better than anything on GGG's current resume.

If we're talking about vacant titles being a hindrance in comparison to MW, you cant include Golovkin.. he beat B level lemieux and was handed the other two. FACTS.. ducked or not, they were vacant sooo

whats your point?

WW is widely regarded as one of the most exciting, closely matched at the top divisions going right now if not THE MOST close.

Please stop trying to justify GGG's dominance by saying the division is as stacked as any other. He's a big A-level fish in a pond that so far until Canelo and Charlo fight at the weight is pure B-level and below.

When the canelo fight happens, if he wins.. I'll give him props. and even then he still gets nowhere near an ATG list.

[techliam]

Charlo hasnt even fought yet, Saunders is piss poor. ( akavov fight anyone ) and gets outboxed by Eubank in a rematch who hasnt got the power to go up against anyone with a punch and a shred of technical ability.

Lemiuex has power and thats it, gets nullified by jabs and cant box inside to save his life.

Are you actually stating that Garcias resume is bad? People were saying if he beat thurman he deserved to be in the top 10 current P4P?! Thurman speaks for himself because he just outboxed that very same danny garcia resoundingly.

Anyone with any shred of dignity will admit that Brook is an extremely good fighter and is worthy of being called world/ a-level irrespective of whether they like him or not and that porter win is still better than anything on GGG's current resume.

If we're talking about vacant titles being a hindrance in comparison to MW, you cant include Golovkin.. he beat B level lemieux and was handed the other two. FACTS.. ducked or not, they were vacant sooo

whats your point?

WW is widely regarded as one of the most exciting, closely matched at the top divisions going right now if not THE MOST close.

Please stop trying to justify GGG's dominance by saying the division is as stacked as any other. He's a big A-level fish in a pond that so far until Canelo and Charlo fight at the weight is pure B-level and below.

When the canelo fight happens, if he wins.. I'll give him props. and even then he still gets nowhere near an ATG list.

The only bit of substance in this wall of text is bolded. The rest is your perspective that you haven't provided any evidence of. I love the 'widely regarded part' - using the statement I'm questioning as evidence. I don't expect some sort of University level response, but come on.

Ok, so Brooks only win is Porter. What makes the Porter win so good? He beat Malignaggi and Alexander? What makes them special? Or what makes Porter a better win than a Lemieux or a Jacobs? Nothing at all. This is again an assumption you haven't questioned. Brining 'technical' aspects into it, Porter doesn't look more impressive than an in form Saunders.

Garcia had a decent run at 140, but looked awful at 147. The Guerrero fight was much closer than it needed to be. He arguably lost to Peterson, and he clearly lost to Thurman, who let him off for 3 rounds. Garcia had name value, but he himself wasn't some A-level name you're making him out to be at 147.

Thurman beat the aforementioned Garcia. Thurman has potential certainly, but has yet to do anything other than Garcia, and his very close win over Porter. Like Brook. I cannot see how these two are any better than the top cream at middleweight? You can put Charlo and Canelo in the brackets if you like, but its the division they've both claimed to be fighting at after Chavez.

[yammy25]

The only bit of substance in this wall of text is bolded. The rest is your perspective that you haven't provided any evidence of. I love the 'widely regarded part' - using the statement I'm questioning as evidence. I don't expect some sort of University level response, but come on.

Ok, so Brooks only win is Porter. What makes the Porter win so good? He beat Malignaggi and Alexander? What makes them special? Or what makes Porter a better win than a Lemieux or a Jacobs? Nothing at all. This is again an assumption you haven't questioned. Brining 'technical' aspects into it, Porter doesn't look more impressive than an in form Saunders.

Garcia had a decent run at 140, but looked awful at 147. The Guerrero fight was much closer than it needed to be. He arguably lost to Peterson, and he clearly lost to Thurman, who let him off for 3 rounds. Garcia had name value, but he himself wasn't some A-level name you're making him out to be at 147.

Thurman beat the aforementioned Garcia. Thurman has potential certainly, but has yet to do anything other than Garcia, and his very close win over Porter. Like Brook. I cannot see how these two are any better than the top cream at middleweight? You can put Charlo and Canelo in the brackets if you like, but its the division they've both claimed to be fighting at after Chavez.

Because you are saying that the "cream" LOL... at MW are as evenly matched or have fought a level of opposition similar to themselves as WW which simply isnt true!!

GGG is a big fish in a little pond! The whole of the MW division barring those who havent fought at the weight yet is B level! The most vocal GGG detractors have picked him to beat Jacobs because jacobs in the eyes of the majority is a level below, yet he is #2 in the division!

Can you name me somebody in WW that is so far above the level of his current possible opposition, but has a resume as poor as GGG's? no..

You talk about opinion and fact, yet where is your substance for MW? who have Saunders and Eubank beaten?? Andy Lee? B level... Dmitri Chudinov? C level..

It boils down to this..

Who has GGG beaten that is considered or has ever been thought of, as an A-level fighter?

[Shadoww702]

Because you are saying that the "cream" LOL... at MW are as evenly matched or have fought a level of opposition similar to themselves as WW which simply isnt true!!

GGG is a big fish in a little pond! The whole of the MW division barring those who havent fought at the weight yet is B level! The most vocal GGG detractors have picked him to beat Jacobs because jacobs in the eyes of the majority is a level below, yet he is #2 in the division!

Can you name me somebody in WW that is so far above the level of his current possible opposition, but has a resume as poor as GGG's? no..

You talk about opinion and fact, yet where is your substance for MW? who have Saunders and Eubank beaten?? Andy Lee? B level... Dmitri Chudinov? C level..

It boils down to this..

Who has GGG beaten that is considered or has ever been thought of, as an A-level fighter?

Andy Lee is C level. Just like Saunders and Lemuix. Jacobs is a solid B though. He does everything good with the one flaw... Chin. Solid B. Those other guys are a tier below because they all have more than 1 flaw. And only like 1-2 real strs. The rest of their skill set is average.

[Shadoww702]

Because
a) Walters accomplished more in pro and amateur boxing compared to Postol therefore he's a better win

b) Walters was the best possible win that Loma could get at that time. I don't remember fans were asking for Loma/Berchelt or Loma/Corrales but they were saying that Walters is the biggest challenge for Loma, don't try to deny it - Walters was the guy to beat for Loma. Name me one fighter not named Garcia (who's not 130 and was rusty at that moment) who wouldn't be a cakewalk for Loma at 130? Only one name, I don't need more

I remember that countless amount of threads that Walters can KO Loma with ease or Loma ducking Walters, but the same posters got short memory, I guess

Really no one but Salido and that's just to avenge the loss. The division kind of suks. The divisions above and below are much better...

But I'm still missing the point how you think Loma is P4P #1 which is what I countered on earlier.

[techliam]

Because you are saying that the "cream" LOL... at MW are as evenly matched or have fought a level of opposition similar to themselves as WW which simply isnt true!!

GGG is a big fish in a little pond! The whole of the MW division barring those who havent fought at the weight yet is B level! The most vocal GGG detractors have picked him to beat Jacobs because jacobs in the eyes of the majority is a level below, yet he is #2 in the division!

Can you name me somebody in WW that is so far above the level of his current possible opposition, but has a resume as poor as GGG's? no..

You talk about opinion and fact, yet where is your substance for MW? who have Saunders and Eubank beaten?? Andy Lee? B level... Dmitri Chudinov? C level..

It boils down to this..

Who has GGG beaten that is considered or has ever been thought of, as an A-level fighter?

In terms of the bolded, GGG is far above the rest of them because he's show that against top 10 opponents. It doesn't make the rest of them bad. a Jacobs win would reinforce that.

'A-level' needs a definition. In my definition, there currently aren't any A-level fighters at welterweight other than Manny, who is cashing out. I'm not saying middleweight is loaded, but its not as weak as you'd personally like it to be.

A-level, Manny, Golovkin and Canelo.
B-level, Thurman, Jacobs, Lemieux, Brook, Garcia at 140. Thurman could prove to be A-level very soon, but hasn't yet.

Really don't see how Welterweight is some stacked division, but Middleweight is dead. Middleweight has a lot more talent rising up, too. Unless of course, some sort of personal feeling towards Golovkin has skewed your thinking.

[yammy25]

In terms of the bolded, GGG is far above the rest of them because he's show that against top 10 opponents. It doesn't make the rest of them bad. a Jacobs win would reinforce that.

'A-level' needs a definition. In my definition, there currently aren't any A-level fighters at welterweight other than Manny, who is cashing out. I'm not saying middleweight is loaded, but its not as weak as you'd personally like it to be.

A-level, Manny, Golovkin and Canelo.
B-level, Thurman, Jacobs, Lemieux, Brook, Garcia at 140. Thurman could prove to be A-level very soon, but hasn't yet.

Really don't see how Welterweight is some stacked division, but Middleweight is dead. Middleweight has a lot more talent rising up, too. Unless of course, some sort of personal feeling towards Golovkin has skewed your thinking.

Those "top 10" opponents are some of the worst fighters the MW division has seen in years. They are terrible in comparison to MW fighters gone by FACT and if they fought against previous A-level and even B-level MW fighters of old theyd get handled!!

second bold is a matter of opinion, I personally feel that your shawn porters, lamont petersons and for the moment your errol spences are B level.. that being the case then Garcia-Thurman-Brook would be A level. Manny is just an elite that comes along once in a blue moon. we wont agree on this so debating it is somewhat futile.

Please dont use suggestions or undertones that I have an agenda, whatever it may be based on. I commend and slate each boxer equally and ive always said i like GGG as a person and a fighter. I think he's exciting and i like his abiity. What i cannot abide is people saying his resume and the division he is in allows him to be named a P4P top 5 or an ATG. Its very simple.

[g27region]

Really no one but Salido and that's just to avenge the loss. The division kind of suks. The divisions above and below are much better...

But I'm still missing the point how you think Loma is P4P #1 which is what I countered on earlier.

Show me the quote where I've said that Loma is p4p #1

[Larry the boss]

Entertain me, how is middleweight any weaker than current welterweight division?

Pacquiao is the only fighter that stands out here, an ATG, on the verge of retirement who is cashing out.

Otherwise you have

Welterweight - Thurman, Garcia, Brook, Porter, Spence (Khan+Berto)

Middleweight - Golovkin, Canelo, Jacobs, Saunders, Lemieux, Charlo, N'Jikam, Eubank (Selucki, Stevens, 'chenko + Murata)

Wheres your logic ? Thurman and Garcia both had vacant titles at the weight. Brook has 1 good win, relative to the division. Spence has beaten no-one. This assumption needs defending

who at ww is considered p4p?