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  • #61
    Originally posted by Elroy The Great View Post
    when saying someone is wrong, dont prove by your words only and dont end a challenge by challenging a cu/nt with a challenge.

    state your case and back it up. i asked for names of giants rocky beat up and got ''211 lbs'' for an answer.

    dont be that guy.
    That's the dumbest **** I've read yet on this forum. You just said to me don't challenge your criteria for what makes a good boxer.

    You don't know **** about history beyond what's printed in articles. You don't know **** about technique beyond key phrases like jab or check hook. If you do, you don't have a single post that reflects that knowledge and when asked to give any evidence that you know anything at all about the era you're speaking about you say don't challenge how you judge what you judge. That's pathetic.


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    Here's why your criteria
    Originally posted by Elroy The Great View Post
    sportswriter to support this accolade
    is dumb:

    In 1798, there were about a billion people in the world and economist Thomas Malthus predicted that overpopulation would lead to war and famine. In 1968, at 4 billion people, experts published The Population Bomb and The Limits to Growth and predicted the same thing.

    Today, in 2014, there are over 7 billion people on the planet. Nevertheless, global poverty and violence are at all-time lows. Even carbon emissions are dropping (at least in the US). It seems the that experts were mistaken.

    In a sense, that shouldn’t be surprising. There will always be a wealth of experts arguing a number of sides to any given issue and most will be proved wrong. Yet we still seek them out because whenever there is uncertainty, we listen to anyone who professes to know more than we do. By looking for easy answers, we’re asking for trouble.

    After World War II, Richard Feynman was one of the world’s most promising young scientists. He was also one of the most eccentric. So, few were surprised when he decided to take a year off to lecture in Brazil and play in a samba band. When you’re a genius, you can get away with that sort of thing.


    Yet when he returned to the US, he felt lost. The physics world was engaged in a great debate about the decay of some obscure subatomic particles and he found himself completely unable to follow it. His sister suggested that instead of listening to experts, he try to figure it out for himself.

    So that’s what he did, but was soon even more confused. The whole argument seemed to make no sense. He dug a little further and discovered why. The original paper that had given rise to the debate was deeply flawed. Feynman had even read it before leaving for Brazil and discarded it because it contained a fundamental—and very obvious—error.

    Apparently, none of the great physicists arguing the issue had actually read the original paper. It had somehow just slipped through and nobody really checked it. They just assumed that someone, somewhere had vetted it, so they went on with their debate, oblivious to the fact that they were wasting their time on gibberish.

    Feynman never considered himself an expert, but likened himself to a confused ape, which was one reason he saw further and more clearly than everyone else.

    One of the things that makes experts so convincing is that they exude confidence. They can talk calmly and knowledgeably about a subject, make reference to relevant facts and build a compelling logic for their case. A good expert is always impressive, but still usually wrong.

    In fact, in 20 year study of political experts, Philip Tetlock found that that their predictions were no better than flipping a coin. Further, he found that pundits who specialized in a particular field tended to perform worse than those whose knowledge was more general. In the contest between the hedgehog and the fox, the fox nearly always wins.

    This is so counterintuitive that it hardly seems possible, but it’s true. The reason lies in the confidence of the predictions. Specialists, with their deep knowledge of a particular subject, tend to not to incorporate information outside their domain, which makes for a cleaner, more definitive story line.

    Foxes, with their broad-based knowledge are less sure of themselves. They also tend to be right more often. Confusion, more often than not, trumps certainty.

    As Erik Brynjolfsson and Andrew McAfee describe in their new book, The Second Machine Age, computers are starting to outperform humans in cognitive tasks. Google flu trends identifies outbreaks more effectively than doctors can. Image analysis software beats trained pathologists and a simple algorithm outdoes procurement experts.

    In fact, McAfee argues in a the Harvard Business Review that instead of using data to inform our judgments, we should turn our decisions over to algorithms. In effect, the new role of expertise is using superior understanding to make better models, rather than trying to outsmart the data.

    This will, of course, be very hard to accept. High level professionals pride themselves on their judgment. We’ve worked hard to know our subject and feel that we’ve earned to right to call things as we see them. Turning decision making over to machines seems to devalue human experience.

    And there’s something to that. Decisions often have a human component. Doctors need to take into account more than just diagnoses and disease, but also the patient's lifestyle and personal preferences. Procurement experts need to make allowances for company partnerships and other soft factors.

    Still, more than we’d like to admit, humans tend to be poor information processors and those who profess to have superior powers of insight are usually just fooling themselves.

    One of the things that always amazes me about New York City is how quickly guys appear to sell me an umbrella in a rainstorm. It seems that as soon as the first drops fall, dozens of them materialize out of nowhere, even if no rain was forecasted. I’m generally forgetful about things like that, so I often buy one.

    I’ve noticed the same thing in business. Every time a new, exciting area emerges, a veritable horde of experts emerges, promising to explain the rules of the game, even before anyone has played. They always seem so smart, so convincing and so sure of themselves.

    As brands started to become publishers, I was especially surprised to find that there were so many content experts. In all my years of publishing, I had worked with editors, designers and journalists, but had never met a content expert. Now, they were everywhere! None of them seemed to have ever published anything either.

    Now, the hot area is data and surely there will be experts eager to educate us. Just as surely, they will be cogent, logical, persuasive and mostly wrong.

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    I lifted that from Forbes because ya know...by your logic if I say it in my own words it's iffey at best but if a writer says it it's true and the more celebrated the writer is the more true it is.

    What makes you not a casual fan if all of your opinions are lifted from sportswriters? Isn't that a defining causal trait?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post
      That's the dumbest **** I've read yet on this forum. You just said to me don't challenge your criteria for what makes a good boxer.

      You don't know **** about history beyond what's printed in articles. You don't know **** about technique beyond key phrases like jab or check hook. If you do, you don't have a single post that reflects that knowledge and when asked to give any evidence that you know anything at all about the era you're speaking about you say don't challenge how you judge what you judge. That's pathetic.
      Does Larry Holmes' opinion on Marciano qualify in your book?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post
        That's the dumbest **** I've read yet on this forum. You just said to me don't challenge your criteria for what makes a good boxer.

        You don't know **** about history beyond what's printed in articles. You don't know **** about technique beyond key phrases like jab or check hook. If you do, you don't have a single post that reflects that knowledge and when asked to give any evidence that you know anything at all about the era you're speaking about you say don't challenge how you judge what you judge. That's pathetic.


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        more words without any substance.
        the shlt below the dotted line were flushed immediately. wasted copy/pasting

        names of giants rocky beat. give em up or move along

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        • #64
          Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
          When they were a risk, Floyd avoided them like the plague by using BS excuses.
          Wait a second....didn't Mayweather try to fight Pacquaio in his prime?

          I thought I remember Mayweather even going so far as agreeing to a 50/50 split.

          Should we ask Freddie Roach about this? I thought I recall him addressing this somewhere.

          By the way, Sergio Martinez very often criticized your idol for ducking him. Let's not be a hypocrite, right?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by travestyny View Post
            Wait a second....didn't Mayweather try to fight Pacquaio in his prime?

            I thought I remember Mayweather even going so far as agreeing to a 50/50 split.

            Should we ask Freddie Roach about this? I thought I recall him addressing this somewhere.

            By the way, Sergio Martinez very often criticized your idol for ducking him. Let's not be a hypocrite, right?
            Roach was discussing Manny's reason for not wanting to get tested. Brought up the Morales situation where Manny felt that giving blood can affect him. So it was a concern because he never gave blood multiple times during training for testing .....

            Once they went thru the testing process with Rios and others, they realized that Manny can go thru with giving multiple sessions of < 1 tbsp. of blood, giving urine while training.



            Floyd and his fans said Manny's reason was BS for 5 years so everyone is now on board with that. Right?


            Come May 1st, Floyd and his fans said differently.

            Giving just < 1 tbsp. of blood 10 days beforehand, giving urine and exercising a bit the day before to just stay sharp can cripple you to the point that you get severe dehydration and URGENTLY require to first drink orally from a 1.5 liter bottle and then get an IV and then a 2nd IV.


            So if you say that Manny was responsible then what you are saying is that Floyd was BSing with his excuses.


            So you were saying something about hypocrite? KABOOOOOOOOOOOOM!





            Sergio Martinez: Manny tried only once to go up above 147. While in training camp, he said that he would not do it again. The fight with Margarito was the only time that he tried and that's it.

            Martinez vs Manny could have happened but it more than likely would have had to have happened at a CW close to 147. Martinez didn't want to do that. That's fine and understandable but that is what it was.

            Furthermore, this is what Sergio Martinez said: “Pacquiao is too small. It would be a mismatch”

            Prior to the May 2nd fight: "Manny does not have the size to stand up to Floyd" - Martinez



            Floyd had fought 3 times at 154 and had titles at that weight. So its completely different.

            Floyd took on opponents that he knew would lose against him due to his advantages over the opponents disadvantages.



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            • #66
              Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
              Roach was discussing Manny's reason for not wanting to get tested. Brought up the Morales situation where Manny felt that giving blood can affect him. So it was a concern because he never gave blood multiple times during training for testing .....

              Once they went thru the testing process with Rios and others, they realized that Manny can go thru with giving multiple sessions of < 1 tbsp. of blood, giving urine while training.



              Floyd and his fans said Manny's reason was BS for 5 years so everyone is now on board with that. Right?


              Come May 1st, Floyd and his fans said differently.

              Giving just < 1 tbsp. of blood 10 days beforehand, giving urine and exercising a bit the day before to just stay sharp can cripple you to the point that you get severe dehydration and URGENTLY require to first drink orally from a 1.5 liter bottle and then get an IV and then a 2nd IV.


              So if you say that Manny was responsible then what you are saying is that Floyd was BSing with his excuses.


              So you were saying something about hypocrite? KABOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
              You have no point. One fighter refused to fight because of drug testing. The other fighter fought.

              One fighter turned down 50/50 over drug testing.

              The other fighter fought.

              So....what was that kaboom all about? Stop embarrassing yourself.



              Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
              Sergio Martinez: Manny tried only once to go up above 147. While in training camp, he said that he would not do it again. The fight with Margarito was the only time that he tried and that's it.

              Martinez vs Manny could have happened but it more than likely would have had to have happened at a CW close to 147. Martinez didn't want to do that. That's fine and understandable but that is what it was.

              Furthermore, this is what Sergio Martinez said: “Pacquiao is too small. It would be a mismatch”

              Prior to the May 2nd fight: "Manny does not have the size to stand up to Floyd" - Martinez



              Floyd had fought 3 times at 154 and had titles at that weight. So its completely different.

              Floyd took on opponents that he knew would lose against him due to his advantages over the opponents disadvantages.

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              More bullshlt from you. Martinez and PWill both called out Pacquiao. So if Floyd ducked them, so did Pacquiao. Pacquaio rehydrates higher than Floyd, from what I can tell, so what is your excuse?


              Let's hear the rest of your excuses. It's always a pleasure to discuss boxing with you to witness you squirm.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                When they were a risk, Floyd avoided them like the plague by using BS excuses.
                So do you agree that Mayweather tried to fight Prime Manny? Yes or no? Don't "deflect" to your excuses about why Pacquaio ducked him. For whatever reason, did Pacquaio duck this fight?

                About Martinez:

                Originally posted by Sergio Martinez
                With Pacquiao, it is impossible as long as he is under Arum’s protection. He and Chavecito are the biggest lies in boxing in this century.”

                'It's a disgrace what they (Pacquiao's camp) are asking.
                It would be better if they just said they didn't want to fight me, because they know I'll knock him out.'

                Martinez, said Pacquaio's people had told him he would have to agree to slim down to 147 pounds (66.7 kilos) and limit his weight to 150 pounds for the actual bout.*
                *

                About P.Will:

                He’s mainly targeting Manny Pacquiao who once again dismissed Williams instead fighting one of Williams’ most famous victims Antonio Margarito. First of all this is as pointless as Pacquiao-Cotto 2, it’s a washed up Margarito who is still struggling to get his license back in Nevada after being found guilty of loading his gloves before his fight with Shane Mosley. We don’t know for sure how many times he’s been using this plaster in his gloves but it is a huge conspiracy. Margarito hasn’t got his lucky plaster with him now and don’t expect much of a contest there especially at 150 where Antonio will be weight drained and use that as his excuse after the fight.

                So I fully understand why Paul is so angry about this, how can a guy you beat suddenly be fighting the best fighter on the planet after breaking boxing rules and losing his last major fight against Shane Mosley. While Williams is left looking around for a new opponent; and may have to settle with a rematch against Sergio Martinez whom he beat on a majority decision last year.
                Williams believes that he would end Pacquiao early.

                Peterson criticized Bob Arum, Manny’s promoter of protecting his fighters by only fighting those who he also promotes.

                Did Pacquiao duck PWill and Martinez?

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                  Roach was discussing Manny's reason for not wanting to get tested. Brought up the Morales situation where Manny felt that giving blood can affect him. So it was a concern because he never gave blood multiple times during training for testing .....

                  Once they went thru the testing process with Rios and others, they realized that Manny can go thru with giving multiple sessions of < 1 tbsp. of blood, giving urine while training.



                  Floyd and his fans said Manny's reason was BS for 5 years so everyone is now on board with that. Right?


                  Come May 1st, Floyd and his fans said differently.

                  Giving just < 1 tbsp. of blood 10 days beforehand, giving urine and exercising a bit the day before to just stay sharp can cripple you to the point that you get severe dehydration and URGENTLY require to first drink orally from a 1.5 liter bottle and then get an IV and then a 2nd IV.


                  So if you say that Manny was responsible then what you are saying is that Floyd was BSing with his excuses.


                  So you were saying something about hypocrite? KABOOOOOOOOOOOOM!





                  Sergio Martinez: Manny tried only once to go up above 147. While in training camp, he said that he would not do it again. The fight with Margarito was the only time that he tried and that's it.

                  Martinez vs Manny could have happened but it more than likely would have had to have happened at a CW close to 147. Martinez didn't want to do that. That's fine and understandable but that is what it was.

                  Furthermore, this is what Sergio Martinez said: “Pacquiao is too small. It would be a mismatch”

                  Prior to the May 2nd fight: "Manny does not have the size to stand up to Floyd" - Martinez



                  Floyd had fought 3 times at 154 and had titles at that weight. So its completely different.

                  Floyd took on opponents that he knew would lose against him due to his advantages over the opponents disadvantages.



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                  Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                  You have no point. One fighter refused to fight because of drug testing. The other fighter fought.

                  One fighter turned down 50/50 over drug testing.

                  The other fighter fought.

                  So....what was that kaboom all about? Stop embarrassing yourself.






                  More bullshlt from you. Martinez and PWill both called out Pacquiao. So if Floyd ducked them, so did Pacquiao. Pacquaio rehydrates higher than Floyd, from what I can tell, so what is your excuse?


                  Let's hear the rest of your excuses. It's always a pleasure to discuss boxing with you to witness you squirm.

                  Man, all you do is DEFLECT!!!

                  What was Roach discussing? Why Manny didn't want to be tested and the reason was similar to Floyd's BS excuse for using an IV.

                  Manny was in uncharted territory and once they went thru the process they were comfortable with the testing process.

                  Floyd was doing it for about 5+ years then on May 1st decides to use what Floyd, his fans and USADA said was BS?????

                  BUT on May 1st, 2015 those same BS excuses:
                  "Its believable" - Floyd fans


                  5+ years, Floyd was supposedly 100% ALL NATURAL then in 2015 we find out its all BS .... yup, that is why Floyd accepted. He can do whatever he wants!!!



                  I told you. Manny's team was OK to fight Sergio Martinez but at a weight where Martinez was not comfortable with. Martinez also said that Manny was too small anyways.

                  Floyd fought at 154 3 times and had titles there.


                  Same thing with Paul Williams. Williams said that he knew Manny would but he admitted that he was small. Floyd on the other hand was a pu$$y that just had to call their promoter Al Haymon and it was done!!!

                  That is P. Williams saying that!!!



                  NEXT: TravestyNY will come back with more DEFLECTIONS!!!

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                  • #69
                    It's true, marcianos 2 biggest name wins came against fighters who were completely shot.

                    He was a good fighter, but his record clearly benefited from the era.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      Man, all you do is DEFLECT!!!

                      What was Roach discussing? Why Manny didn't want to be tested and the reason was similar to Floyd's BS excuse for using an IV.

                      Manny was in uncharted territory and once they went thru the process they were comfortable with the testing process.

                      Floyd was doing it for about 5+ years then on May 1st decides to use what Floyd, his fans and USADA said was BS?????

                      BUT on May 1st, 2015 those same BS excuses:
                      "Its believable" - Floyd fans


                      5+ years, Floyd was supposedly 100% ALL NATURAL then in 2015 we find out its all BS .... yup, that is why Floyd accepted. He can do whatever he wants!!!
                      You are DEFLECTING! Did Floyd Mayweather attempt to fight a prime Manny Pacquaio. Yes or no? Simple question. That's the point of contention, right?

                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      I told you. Manny's team was OK to fight Sergio Martinez but at a weight where Martinez was not comfortable with. Martinez also said that Manny was too small anyways.

                      Floyd fought at 154 3 times and had titles there.

                      NEXT: TravestyNY will come back with more DEFLECTIONS!!!
                      LMAOOOO. So he fought Margarito at 150, but wouldn't fight Martinez there? BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID HE WOULD LOSE.

                      He wouldn't fight PWill point blank. So according to you, that is a duck move!

                      Mayweather rehydrated to 150 for Canelo. Pacquaio rehydrated to 151 for Bradley and 152 for Mayweather.

                      Any more excuses?

                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      Same thing with Paul Williams. Williams said that he knew Manny would but he admitted that he was small. Floyd on the other hand was a pu$$y that just had to call their promoter Al Haymon and it was done!!!
                      PWILL tried to get a fight with Pac. Look at my previous post. What are your excuses for him fighting Margarito instead of PWill? LMAOOOOO.
                      Last edited by travestyny; 03-11-2017, 10:34 PM.

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