This why no superstar have been made next to pac and floyd

[Sugar Adam Ali]

No


The reason there is no manny or floyd type superstar is because it takes years and years to get to that level of stardom... Manny and floyd both were world champs for nearly a decade before they got out of the shadows of oscar, shane, tito, morales, etc

Ward has the potential because he is undefeated, been around along time... He just needs those big marquee fights


The real problem is that nobody got the "rub" from former stars..

chavez passed torch to oscar who passed it to floyd and manny..

holmes and spinks passed it to tyson, who passed it to holfield and lennox, and lennox kinda passed it to vital

This goes back decades.. Marciano becoming a much bigger name after pounding old joe louis


these new guys like loma, thurman, danny, ggg, crawford have no one to give them the 'rub'


The biggest current superstar is canelo and he got the rub off the mayweather fight

[niceyboo3]

Garcia and Thurman were both 'champions' because they beat that welterweight legend, Robert Guerrero. That says a lot about what's wrong with the sport right there.

Robert Guerrero Lmao. You sir are awesome

[LoadedWraps]

Because every breakthrough fight that gets made they just fail to step it up! When the whole world is watching the better guy would rather play it safe than grab greatness! Thurman won, but could he have done better? Esp in the championship rounds? Yes! Compare how pacquiao demolish barrera, or floyd to corrales to this sorry ass fights when they had their golden opportunities. Canelo-cotto, the supposed younger hungrier bigger guy decided to box the old one instead of making a statement. Rigo-donaire, lara-Canelo.

If you dont know what im talking about then you dont know prizefighting.

Why not fight as hard as you could. Hook all the casuals. Live up to the hype. Earn all that money. Earn that driver seat. I know all the great ones first did.

Backpedalling in the championship rounds to the smaller guy whom you claimed you're going to hurt is just off.

i used to be here regularly, and now seeing these young guns making demands and diva moves before doing impressive stuffs first and earning their spots is plain bs.

Its the social media era, and promotion is way easier than ever. But none of these guys can make 1m ppv buys which 1990 fighters can even do.

I'll be hated for this, and cong**** for making this fight happen, but just a thought.

Red K for being an absolute idiot and flooding NSB with trash.

Pacquiao fights all his fights the same way and using him as an example for "stepping up" is ******ed.

Mayweather's "breaththrough" fight was against DLH and it was far from a "step up" type of performance in the way you think Thurmans' should have been, Floyd did what he had to do to win, period, same as Thurman.

[VatoMulatto]

Floyd is a great example that you don't have to be an exciting crowd-pleasing boxer in order to be a superstar. Floyd's big moment into the mainstream came when he fought Oscar De La Hoya. Floyd fought a superstar and became a superstar that night but it's not like Floyd put on a show when he beat Oscar. Many fans thought it was a boring fight and even disagreed with the outcome. That fight still took Floyd's career to the next level and a couple of months later he was on "Dancing with the stars".

Thurman and Garcia could've gone toe to toe and made it a fight of the year candidate and still not get that much mainstream publicity cause none of them are well known names outside of boxing. Put Thurman in the ring with superstars like Floyd or Pac and Thurman could very well be a big star, just like those two once fought Oscar that made them mainstream.

[Bushbaby]

SMH. This isn't the problem with boxing, this is the problem with boxing fans.

Last night wasn't a breakthrough fight, it should be -- and we can only hope -- a part of a series of fights that leads to a clear welterweight champion. And from that, it's likely a star will emerge.

We need to stop getting caught up with that "can this fight save boxing" mindset. Boxing is in a rebuild stage. And the best way to build it up is to continually make good fights. Last night, we took a huge step in the right direction. No, the action wasn't scintillating but two of our premier fighters took center stage on free TV. Not to mention Erickson Lubin probably making a few new fans. Imagine if Spence beats Brook...and he fights Thurman next on NBC? Sick, right? Don't get caught up in the moment or you'll miss what's ahead.

Exactly. While Floyd and Pacman put on a slew of bullcrap ppv's, you had 2 undefeated, prime welterweight champions give casual and hardcore boxing fans a free fight and ****** folk want to complain about some $#it.

[elfag]

fraud jr is not a superstar inside the ring. he's the most boring fighter of all time.

he became known not because of his killer instinct inside the ring but used his hood rat demeanor to sell tickets. the fact is 99.8% of fans who bought tickets and ppv are there not to watch an exciting fights but to see him lose.

someone is butt hurt

[The Gambler1981]

Fighting old stars is one way and perhaps the easiest way to stardom but it is not the only way. In a big spot if a guy really delivers that can create something new and exciting.

Last night was a pretty big spot and while Thurman certainly won and that by itself will continue to build his name don't get it twisted but he could have went for more taking a little bit more risk and really closed the show fairly strong instead of just moving away the last few rounds.

Garcia is what he is but he was pretty content to lose that fight and could never really find the spot to throw his big left hook up stairs and only a few to the body. he needed to sell out to really change that fight and didn't.

When you have guys that are pretty content you don't get great results. Greatness comes from not being content with good enough~

[dibzvincent143]

Fighting old stars is one way and perhaps the easiest way to stardom but it is not the only way. In a big spot if a guy really delivers that can create something new and exciting.

Last night was a pretty big spot and while Thurman certainly won and that by itself will continue to build his name don't get it twisted but he could have went for more taking a little bit more risk and really closed the show fairly strong instead of just moving away the last few rounds.

Garcia is what he is but he was pretty content to lose that fight and could never really find the spot to throw his big left hook up stairs and only a few to the body. he needed to sell out to really change that fight and didn't.

When you have guys that are pretty content you don't get great results. Greatness comes from not being content with good enough~

Thank you guys for your opinions.

This is exactly what I'm also trying to say, the fight and the fighters had all the ingredients for a star to emerge, and it wasn't seized. I'm not being a hater here, I'm all for the good of these guys and for the good of boxing. I'm just saying they're not even helping themselves to get to where Floyd/Pac was and seemed to forget or not know the dynamics of prizefighting. They don't do that extra push, they don't take that X factor even when it was reachable.

A few bashed pac in the comments, but when the guy was at their age, he gave it his all every time he fights. Until of course, recent years that its no longer enough.

They hate on floyd, but floyd worked hard in boxing as he does outside of it. He knows how to promote himself given his unattractive style to casual fans. Hype and substance rarely go hand in hand, but he can actually school you, and has the stats to back it up.

No young stars have put themselves in a position that pac and floyd once put themselves before dlh.
Regardless if the torched get passed or not, it's the social media era, my neighbor can even make a funny video, and the next minute, it can have a million views in youtube.

If you can really produce, and deliver. The casual fans will just come running. I can only imagine how much PPV buys the previous generations would have had had they fought today.

[MrRolltide91]

Fighting old stars is one way and perhaps the easiest way to stardom but it is not the only way. In a big spot if a guy really delivers that can create something new and exciting.

Last night was a pretty big spot and while Thurman certainly won and that by itself will continue to build his name don't get it twisted but he could have went for more taking a little bit more risk and really closed the show fairly strong instead of just moving away the last few rounds.

Garcia is what he is but he was pretty content to lose that fight and could never really find the spot to throw his big left hook up stairs and only a few to the body. he needed to sell out to really change that fight and didn't.

When you have guys that are pretty content you don't get great results. Greatness comes from not being content with good enough~

True.........

[pasawayako]

I agree with the Pac comparison. He made a name for himself by knocking out legends or dominating them in brutal fashion. Saditic almost.

WIth Mayweather, it was due to the persona he created, in particular with relation to the DLH fight that shot him off into being a genuine star. Also, the association with Pac for half a decade helped...them both.

Mayweather certainly didn't become a star due to in ring performances.

Everyone will agree that floyd mayweather jr. become a super star outside the ring.