IV rehydration ban - how do you feel about it, and how do they enforce it?

[tokon]

Exactly this. I haven't found any information anywhere that shows WADA labs can find out about it through any testing. Blood transfusions are a different matter.

Seems to me that this IV rehydration rule was put in after the Lance Armstrong circus when cyclists were using it to manipulate blood values after using EPO. However, after the urine test for EPO was introduced, I don't see the point. Perhaps they are just playing it safe and saying, "If you'd like to rehydrate this way, you are required to get our permission."

Another "looks good, achieves little" measure in the fake fight against the use of PEDs!

This isn't running, cycling, field events or weightlifting; this is punching another person in the head! If you are cheating, particularly with steroids and growth hormones then the punishment needs to fit the crime. The entire purse should be forfeited, bans should start with a minimum of 5years, and should also result in criminal prosecutions.

[travestyny]

Another "looks good, achieves little" measure in the fake fight against the use of PEDs!

This isn't running, cycling, field events or weightlifting; this is punching another person in the head! If you are cheating, particularly with steroids and growth hormones then the punishment needs to fit the crime. The entire purse should be forfeited, bans should start with a minimum of 5years, and should also result in criminal prosecutions.

Hey, I absolutely agree with you. 100%.

[travestyny]

Sample A is a mixture of those 2 urine samples. There the second is diluting the initial one.

b) Threshold substances, there can be traces but the delay and dilution will drive down the numbers

Just one more thing. Let's get this clear: You think that this IV is a big issue because Floyd can drive down threshold substances, correct? That's what it seems, because any amount of non-threshold substance will be an adverse finding.

So why not take a look at the threshold substances that are set apart by WADA.

Here is the list:



As far as I can see, there is only one anabolic steroid on this list. That's 19-Norandrosterone, and the threshold limit is a whopping (sarcasm) 2ng/ml. It already naturally occurs in the body at a low level. Do you believe that adding a dirty sample of this wouldn't tip the scale?

Otherwise....all I see on the list is things that could be used for asthma, and stimulants.

HGH is technically considered a threshold substance, but it is not tested in the way that these are tested. There is a biological marker that is used, and also tests to differentiate the naturally occurring chemical to that which is injected.


So....not sure what you are seeing here. You let me know. By the way, didn't you also let it be known that anabolic steroids are normalized for specific gravity?

Your conspiracy theory is really falling apart. Not that it was ever note-worthy in the first place.

[ADP02]

Just one more thing. Let's get this clear: You think that this IV is a big issue because Floyd can drive down threshold substances, correct? That's what it seems, because any amount of non-threshold substance will be an adverse finding.

So why not take a look at the threshold substances that are set apart by WADA.

Here is the list:



As far as I can see, there is only one anabolic steroid on this list. That's 19-Norandrosterone, and the threshold limit is a whopping (sarcasm) 2ng/ml. It already naturally occurs in the body at a low level. Do you believe that adding a dirty sample of this wouldn't tip the scale?

Otherwise....all I see on the list is things that could be used for asthma, and stimulants.

HGH is technically considered a threshold substance, but it is not tested in the way that these are tested. There is a biological marker that is used, and also tests to differentiate the naturally occurring chemical to that which is injected.


So....not sure what you are seeing here. You let me know. By the way, didn't you also let it be known that anabolic steroids are normalized for specific gravity?


Your conspiracy theory is really falling apart. Not that it was ever note-worthy in the first place.

Man, you made me crack up!

Now you believe in normalizing but when I point it out to you, oh, it only counts if I have a PHD/masters in chemistry.




The way you are talking, its like there are no cheaters left. Testers have gotten rid of all the cheating.

Reality check: When even USADA, Novitsky, Conte, Catlin and others are telling you otherwise, do you not think its time to do some type of deep reanalysis on your point of view? Why you are NOT GETTING IT?

Sorry but even the head of the WADA Committee is saying that YOU ARE WRONG!!!

[travestyny]

Man, you made me crack up!

Now you believe in normalizing but when I point it out to you, oh, it only counts if I have a PHD/masters in chemistry.




The way you are talking, its like there are no cheaters left. Testers have gotten rid of all the cheating.

Reality check: When even USADA, Novitsky, Conte, Catlin and others are telling you otherwise, do you not think its time to do some type of deep reanalysis on your point of view? Why you are NOT GETTING IT?

Sorry but even the head of the WADA Committee is saying that YOU ARE WRONG!!!

How about you try focusing on the merits of the post instead of confusing what I say with your own hyperbole.

I think that's what you call, DEFLECTING, is it not?

I didn't realize this was about whether people still try to cheat. I thought it was about your dumb ass conspiracy theory. You know, the one which you are clearly wrong about.

[ADP02]

How about you try focusing on the merits of the post instead of confusing what I say with your own hyperbole.

I think that's what you call, DEFLECTING, is it not?

I didn't realize this was about whether people still try to cheat. I thought it was about your dumb ass conspiracy theory. You know, the one which you are clearly wrong about.

You DEFLECTED my point!

I answered yours but it went right over your head!

I didn't even see EPO on the list so it must be a partial list. Anyways, Floyd micro-doses then time is of essence if you want to catch the substance above the threshold. Then add to it that Floyd drank like a fish and had not 1 but 2 IVs .... other cheats wished they were allowed to do what Floyd was allowed on May 1st, 2015

[travestyny]

You DEFLECTED my point!

I answered yours but it went right over your head!

I didn't even see EPO on the list so it must be a partial list. Anyways, Floyd micro-doses then time is of essence if you want to catch the substance above the threshold. Then add to it that Floyd drank like a fish and had not 1 but 2 IVs .... other cheats wished they were allowed to do what Floyd was allowed on May 1st, 2015

You said absolutely NOTHING about my post.

Saying that anti-doping experts agree that people are still trying to cheat adds nothing, unless you are saying these guys said Floyd Mayweahter was doping, which NOT ONE has said.

If you think it's a partial list, apparently just because you say so, go find the full list and bring it back. We can analyze it together.

With micro-dosing...it's out of your system in 12-18 hours, right? I still haven't heard anything from you regarding how he was able to know precisely how to do this over 6 years...and in that time only got in a jam and needed an IV once.

IT MAKES NO SENSE. Are you going to come back with anything worthy of this convo now?

[travestyny]

I didn't even see EPO on the list so it must be a partial list.

Any word yet on if this is the complete list of threshold substances:

Last I saw, WADA described threshold substances this way:

Threshold Substances are identified as such in the Technical Document on Decision Limits (TD DL).

Threshold Substance: An exogenous or endogenous Prohibited Substance, Metabolite or Marker of a Prohibited Substance which is analyzed quantitatively and for which an analytical result (concentration, ratio or score) in excess of a pre-determined Decision Limit constitutes an Adverse Analytical Finding. Threshold Substances are identified as such in the Technical Document on Decision Limits (TD DL).
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau....0-2016-en.pdf

So.....since the document is found here:
TD2017DL
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...3_td2017dl.pdf

and that is where the chart is....I think that means you are wrong.


And your whole theory crumbles down now. Do you have anything to save your conspiracy theory?

They test for recombinant EPO. I think that's the reason you are mistaken. Again, if you have anything to save your conspiracy theory, let me know.

[ADP02]

What a joke. Responding with bullshlt is something to be proud of? You aren't fooling anyone. You're a garbage poster and it's always easy the kick you around. You should have given up a long time ago. Ok. I'll kick you around some more.



A. Long delay? When did he give the first sample? Makes sense that it was when the DCO first arrived, no? He had to attempt then, just as he did for the Mosley fight. DCO arrived, he urinated, didn't fill it up, then he waited. So no, there was no long delay before the partial sample that was given BEFORE the IV.

B. Who knows what happened???? The DCO who never left his sight maybe? And let me remind you before you try to spin this...this is a DCO that you believe was NOT a part of any conspiracy, right?

This is the DCO's job....to know what the **** is happening. What's wrong with you?

Now did I deflect, or did that answer your question?

A) Nope, they didn't say that he first gave when the DCO arrived and then 6 hours later .... which is actually way more suspicious .... crazy suspicious and makes 0 sense!!!

While I do not buy either version but like I told you before and DO NOT DUCK, YOU are thinking that FLoyd urinated at 1:50pm and couldn't even urinate 1 drop hours later and required that he drink adequately then still couldn't urinate and had 1 IV, still couldn't urinate so he had a 2nd IV and only after all that and possibly more delays, he finally urinated? lol ..... yup, sound even worse.

Hauser said it was after the weigh-in. USADA did NOT correct Hauser.


Furthermore, USADA said: Floyd provided partial urine sample before and after getting his IV solutions!


Kevin Iole reported:
"Mayweather also applied for, and was given, a therapeutic use exemption (TUE) for rehydration purposes after the May 1 weigh-in. He took two separate mixes. The first was a mixture of 250 ml of saline and multi-vitamins. The second was a 500 ml mixuture of saline and Vitamin C. He was urine tested both before and after taking the solutions."

"Mayweather provided partial urine samples to USADA both prior to and following the infusion."


B) May I remind you that only Floyd can tell you exactly how it was done. So do not come spin/DEFLECT it by saying "You said". Possibilities are endless in Floyd's case! That in itself is a problem.

Never left his sight?
Did you see Floyd surrounded by his big body guards? Floyd could have done something with him just behind one of those huge dudes! Anyways, there is plenty of videos of Floyd. Since the DCO was there next to Floyd at all times, it must be sooo easy to point out who he is. Can you show me who is the DCO? Was it the guy to his right, or his left? lol DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

So you are saying he told the DCO that he can't piss because he has to go bet on a game. If you can point me to that, I'd like to see it. Do you know when he went to bet? Do you know if he even had to physically go somewhere to bet? I'm pretty sure he could place a phone call.

Want proof?



So let's see what information you have. Don't duck out now. You've mentioned this betting thing a bunch of times. Let's see what you got.

Great. So then Floyd must have said that he needs to place a call, like you said and delay instead of focusing on giving a urine sample. Still not good .... but I'm wrong because you have Floyd saying what you said. Oh wait, you do not! Never mind.



Stop DEFLECTING. Floyd isn't going to say what you said 'he told the DCO that he can't piss because he has to go bet on a game".

Floyd is just going to go to the sportsbook and bet on the game and hope that he can get away with delaying some more. and no, I wasn't making up what he said.

Furthermore, check out the entire video. Show me where the FCK was this DCO???

At the end of the video Floyd says what I stated. That whole scene in his van looked shady too.
a) DO NOT DEFLECT: Floyd was laughing it up and looked good.
BE HONEST: Does Floyd look like he has a serious medical condition? DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!



b) Here you go! REAL PROOF!!!
""Hey, I got to go to sportsbook and gotta bet on the game""

Non-Threshold substances that are present would be flagged.

If it is a threshold substance, how the **** is Mayweather going to tell if the combined sample will be below the threshold. Yea, this seems like a fine conspiracy theory you got going. Never mind that the ABP would notice any changes in his values, but I'll address that later. The point is...USADA helped him cheat....by mixing his dirty urine with clean urine? If you believe that, you're more of an idiot than I thought. This is the dumbest conspiracy theory ever concocted.

Sorry but you are the idioto:
- Can you please do me a favor. Do not urinate for 5-6 hours while drinking adequately from a 1-1.5 liter bottle to rehydrate your body. You can even drink more, right? What is stopping you!!! Let me know if you have a hard time giving 60-90ml of urine.
DO NOT DEFLECT: Let me know if you still think it made any sense for Floyd to get 2 IVs!!!


Sorry but you are the idioto:
"There are many fast acting substances that are out of your body in a few hours or a few days..... Yes, you can micro-dose to circumvent the testing" - Conte
NOW, DO NOT DEFLECT: Do you see how it would help in delaying as much as possible and simultaneously drinking fluids then getting 2 IVs?


"IVs are used for 2 purposes.
1) Is to rehydrate. Many fighters need to dehydrate before a weigh-in and then need to rehydrate.
2) Mask illegal drugs......."All I know is that Floyd never had trouble making the WW weight" - Larry Merchant

Floyd admitted to making weight EASILY.
DO NOT DEFLECT: You saw Floyd with your own eyes. Read his pre-fight form. Had a physical examination. Vital signs normal. Drank adequately.
Which made more sense, Floyd's BS excuses for using an IV or what the head of WADA TUE Committee said about IVs/RETRO TUEs? DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

Sorry but you are the idioto:
'a key difference is that athletes now realize that small doses of steroids or EPO substance are nearly as effective – and much harder to detect. '
DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

Sorry but you are the idioto:
“Sophisticated dopers have come to understand how to work around the Athlete Biological Passport,” he warns. “They have evaluated correctly that they need to pare back taking steroids or EPO and they will still get most of the benefits.”

"Microdosing, especially with testosterone, is the buzz word in elite sport. It is seen as a golden ticket for dopers, using small doses of naturally occurring substances to trick the testers, so that your levels never rise high enough to attract suspicion on your athlete’s biological passport, the blood-profiling system that is meant to reveal the big hormonal changes that drug use usually brings."

"Doping athletes have begun taking smaller doses but more regularly. That way there are no unexpected peaks in your testosterone profile."
DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

Sorry but you are the idioto:
Floyd didn't expect the DCO to show up at that point in time, just like what can happen to other cheats. So at that point in time, its not "what is the ideal thing to do?". It's "Without getting caught, what gives me the best chance of beating the test?" ..... DELAY as much as you can while drinking and getting 2 IVs. That is illegal of course, but if Floyd had a friend, it can be done .... oh wait, USADA to the rescue!!!
DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

Here were questions to USADA:
Q: My question is, if I knew 20 hours before the test, would I have time to mask PEDs? Six hours? One hour? What would it be?
Travis_Tygart: "Yep, all that."

Travis_Tygart had even said with just 10 minutes. He had said not that tough to do but given the example used, I think its not that easy either in Floyd's ... but I do not see the DCO next to Floyd so perhaps ..... OH WAIT, Floyd delayed, drank orally adequately and had not 1 but 2 IVs!!!

Yea. Pretty normal to me AND THE ****ING DCO THAT WAS FOLLOWING HIM AROUND, YOU MORON. Again, that's a DCO that you believe was not a part of this conspiracy theory. Probably the only reason you don't include the DCO is because you know your conspiracy theory gets further ripped apart if he is included. Only problem is, leaving him out of the conspiracy theory also makes this not work, you moron.

DEFLECTED point "e": Floyd delayed and drank adequately enough. How can Floyd still need an IV after time elapsed and being able to drink?

urine production is 1 ml/min ... do the math. How long would it take to urinate 60-90ml?
Drink 1 liter of water and the urine production goes to 7.5 –8.5 ml/min lol ...
Drink 2 liters of water and urine production peaks at 1 hr at 16ml/min lol ...

DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!! DO THE MATH. How long should it take Floyd to urinate 60-90 ml?


b) Well, I had a hard time picking out who the DCO was. Lets see you show me ..... GO!!! Let me know if you see this DCO at all times next to Floyd.

Like I said, there was Floyd and 6 huge body guards. No DCO. It was also hard to see FLoyd with those body guards. You think its that hard to do something?

Shut the **** up. You are not an anti-doping expert. Experts already told you that you were wrong, you dope. Where the **** did you get your chemistry degree? Post it up, homie. If not...shut the **** up.

DEFLECTION ALERT: Now I need to have a degree in chemistry? lol Too funny! This never stopped you, did it?

I'm going by what I read. SG = 1.002 is about ~10 FOLDs while 1.009 is about ~2.5 FOLDS. Meaning 10X more dilute versus 2.5X more dilute.
TEST #1 had concentration of about 50 ng/ml, TEST #2 had concentration of about 60 ng/ml
Theoretically, IF SG = 1.02 then concentration would be 50 ng/ml X 10 FOLD = 500 ng/ml
Theoretically, IF SG = 1.09 then concentration would be 500 ng/ml / 2.5 FOLD = 200 ng/ml
Theoretically, QUESTs urine sample was slightly dehydrated so a value of 500+ is very normal and expected.

Besides the dilution factor, being that there are other substances of various concentration values in the urine sample, that is why we are seeing the values that we saw for TEST #1 and TEST #2.

WHAT YOU GOT? DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

WRONG. LMAOOOOOOOO. IF THE SAMPLE WAS DILUTE, THEY TAKE IT AND ANALYZE IT, BUT ALSO GET AN UNDILUTED SAMPLE. Don't believe me????


If the DCO’s specific gravity reading indicates that the Sample doesn’t have a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis, then the DCO informs the Athlete that he/she is required to provide a further Sample.

The DCO sends all Samples collected to the Laboratory for analysis, irrespective of whether or not the Samples meet the requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis.
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...4e_v1.0_en.pdf

LMAOOOO. See...this is a prime example of how you don't know what the **** you are talking about!!! So now your argument is that he purposely would hydrate too much and take the chance of them finding something in his dirty yet diluted sample? Did he measure out how much he would have to dilute for the dirty sample to pass? And then he did it all under the nose of the DCO? LMAO GIVE THE **** UP!!!

SO DID I DEFLECT, OR DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? LMAOOOO!!!! Let's see if you can admit that you are WRONGGGG. Come on. Say it! You don't just throw out diluted samples, and there is no guarantee that diluted samples will test negative, you dope!

All you had to do is quote this part and we are all good: "then the DCO informs the Athlete that he/she is required to provide a further Sample."

See, Floyd can delay further!!!!! YOU and DoNothing, were so happy about that but like I said, and I WAS RIGHT, delaying would be advantageous for Floyd because delaying is what Floyd wanted!!!

ONCE AGAIN, NSAC IS NOT A SIGNATORY TO THE WADA CODE. THEY CAN, AND HAVE, ACCEPTED DILUTED SAMPLES BEFORE. THE LAB IS NOT REQUIRED TO ANALYZE ONLY UNDILUTED SAMPLES.

HOWEVER, USADA IS A SIGNATORY TO THE WADA CODE. USADA MUST HAVE AN UNDILUTED SAMPLE. THEY HAVE TO GET AN UNDILUTED SAMPLE OR END THE COLLECTION PROCESS. AN ATHLETE WHO IS DEEMED TO BE PURPOSELY DILUTING WILL BE HELD IN VIOLATION. WADA CODE....OF WHICH USADA HAS TO FOLLOW!

DEFLECTION ALERT: I told you not to deflect and say what you said, but you did!!!! lol

I know what they did since I pointed it out, NOT YOU!!! So does that mean that SMRTL was NOT following the WADA process and that it was more than likely that they skipped lots of steps?
DO NOT DEFLECT: Does this NOT shoot down Diaz's defense (WADA this and WADA that)??????? DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

YOU DIDN'T SHOW ME SHlT. YOU TRIED TO SAY THAT WADA'S GUIDELINES FOR THE SPECIFIC GRAVITY TEST ARE FAULTY. AND YOU FAILED AND INSTEAD WENT WITH...BUT BUT BUT...DIAZ MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES HYDRATING. THAT'S ADMITTING FAILURE. GIVE UP.

I showed you but you are lost. I showed you several examples. One where they mentioned that dilution was above threshold but cocaine levels were below threshold.

There was a similar one for marijuana .... JUST look at Diaz's 3 samples. SMRTLs SG of TEST 1 and 2 changed by almost 8 FOLDs but NOT the marijuana metabolites concentration. Why? While there are multiple factors to consider, it still stands that the marijuana levels didn't reflect the SG change.
Remember, that you tried to correlate dilution with marijuana levels but now, you cannot do the same with TEST #1 and TEST #2 where they are both using SG method and BOTH were done by SMRTL? HA!!!

BTW - WADA is even telling you that SG tests have their limitations. Now you are even seeing that they do normalize for certain substances! Why is that? Are they full of SH$T?

1. You still won't recognize that the initial sample was probably given when the DCO first arrived, which makes sense to those of us with a brain.

2. Even when micro-dosing, it takes more than 6 hours for the substances to be untraceable. I thought YOU provided that information.

3. So Floyd was micro-dosing for nearly 2 months and was just guessing correctly when to stop. LMAOOO. Yea ok. You dum dum!

1. I already explained it in this post above

2. a) What's 6 hours? So you think that Floyd was micro-dosing 2 minutes before the DCO showed up? lol
b) Anyways, Conte, Novitsky and even Travis(USADA) says that you are WRONG!!!


3. lol .... I guess cheating has stopped according to TRAVESTYNY!!! and the funniest part is that you have the nerve to call others dum!!!! lol GO READ UP!!!
If cyclists, for example, had to test only for 6-8 weeks and no blood testing close to the race, they would be having a field day. yet YOU, MR NAIVE, is stating that this is all dumb .... If you only were able to realize how you look right now .... I think your best bet is DEFLECTING ... lol

What about the ABP. Oh, I think you bring that up later.

And again, this is far too stupid to try. Give a partial dirty sample and hope that nothing comes up...yet Floyd paid off USADA. Paid them off to protect him and they can't even tell him when the DCO is coming? Can't ensure that his urine sample is taken only after the IV? Dumbest plan ever.

How many times do I need to tell you. We do not know the level that USADA helped out but THEY DID!!!

Floyd should not have used an IV because there was no way that Floyd needed it for the reasons he stated and he looked good and was even laughing away getting into that van after the weigh-in. Was OK in the video later on too. The head of WADA TUE Committee was clear. You do not give a RETRO TUE unless Floyd truly had a serious medical condition that was an URGENT case.

So it does NOT even need to be this huge conspiracy theory that you keep on saying that it had to be. Just by not investigating Floyd's IV scandal to get to find out what truly occurred on May 1st was enough! USADA said, lets have the TUEC only see and read what Floyd's doctor wrote and we are meeting the minimal compliancy that WADA requests. You know, something that the WADA Committee pointed out where it was reported that its a weakness in the system. NADOs have been doing that with home town athletes!!!
USADA was paid the extra money not so they could then spend some time investigating Floyd but instead, it was so that USADA would not investigate if it had anything to do with FLoyd.


ABP is not too hard to beat. READ UP. I have some quotes above!

LMAOOOO. By dilution? Nope. Just told you that he was required to give an undiluted sample. So you are WRONG.

Infusing prohibited substances....that aren't found right after the IV??? LMAOOOO. You aren't this stupid, are you?

So did I deflect, or did I answer this moronic implication you are throwing out there?

STOP DEFLECTING!!!! Floyd delayed, diluted and used a banned method. Sorry but drinking fluids and getting 2 IVs will dilute your urine sample. It does NOT need to be below 1.005 for the concentrations to go down. PLEASE, I HOPE that is not what you are saying?????????? Is it? DO NOT DEFLECT!!!!!


Go read up what others say including Conte, Novitsky and even Travis(USADA)!!!

Let me help you out:
1. He gave a sample from before the IV which was likely not after delaying. He told you his urine was dark, the DCO witnessed whatever condition he had...this was obviously not after rehydrating.

2. Ohhhh, it was so bad. He used 2 separate solutions. One had....VITAMIN C. Oh, the horror! Let me remind you, the urine was tested directly after the IV. So are you ready to add the Independent WADA lab to this conspiracy theory, or what?

3. Go find the medical records. Maybe that will help you out, because without them, you are useless. Let me remind you, the TUEC as well as WADA know the reasons for the 2 solutions. One approved them....and this approval was sent to WADA to be reviewed. Do you think they had anything to hide? Certainly doesn't seem like it, does it?

1. a) delay already posted about this

b) FLOYD said his urine was dark. Perhaps it was BS, perhaps he had taken in a substance that made his urine darker. As an example, drink Beet juice and let me know what color your urine is even though you are hydrated?

We went over this a long time ago when you Floyd fans said that the IV could have been before the weigh in.

Hauser said it was after the weigh-in. USADA did NOT correct Hauser. Furthermore, USADA said that the urine was taken before and after the IV.

2. Did you not read what others have said? If someone had time, they could mask in even 10 minutes time .... Floyd had time and in that IV there could have been anything to help Floyd not get caught.

3. lol .... right on queue. I told you that you had NOTHING and would hide in your shell as you just did!!!
Also, will those documents have a counter argument or just Floyd's BS written on it? OOOPs, more to DEFLECT!!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!! lol

4. You DEFLECTED THIS: "Yet after many hours, was not able to urinate. You believe that BS?" and this "Was the different type of vitamins going to rehydrate him better? All of that does NOT make any sense!!!"

OH MY GOD. YOU ARE BEYOND ******ED. THE URINE WAS TESTED AFTER THE IV FOR PROHIBITED SUBSTANCES. WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND. ARE YOU NOW SPECULATING THAT FLOYD, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DCO, ORDERED UP SOME NEW KIND OF PED THAT NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT. LMAO. THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY IS GETTING GOOD. TELL ME MORE!

Man, I need to spell it out for you ..... AGAIN!!! lol

IF a PED that Floyd was using can be easily masked with one of Memo's "20 ways", they gave Floyd the opportunity to do it right in front of them.

"7. When Lance's samples were retested with the EPO urine test, HE FAILED! "

HIS SAMPLES FAILED WHEN TESTED FOR EPO WITH THE URINE TEST. THAT IS ON RECORD. HE ALSO FAILED A FEW TIMES THAT WERE COVERED UP BY UCI. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THESE WERE NOT WADA TESTS. AND MOST OF ALL...USADA WAS IN HIS ASS WITH A FLASHLIGHT...BUT NOW THEY ARE SO WILLING TO HELP FLOYD CHEAT? YEA, OK.

Above is what you said.

but, initially, who knew that Lance was cheating?

I had said: Floyd had to also be concerned that they can retest samples a few years later. So I brought up several reasons why including this as to counter your dumb idea to NOT have a RETRO TUE(paper trail)...... You deflected, laughed, whatever .... but now bring it up too!

YOU BASICALLY ARE AGREEING WITH ME NOW ..... SO YOU WERE WRONG BEFORE!!!!

LMAOOO. OK...TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS, LITTLE GUY.

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEN A GUY MICRODOXING FOR 8-10 WEEKS....AND A GUY MICRODOSING OVER A 6 YEAR PERIOD AND GETTING AWAY WITH 130 DRUG TESTS. IF HE NEEDED AN IV ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER ALL THAT TIME OF MASTERING THIS SYSTEM....HIS VALUES WOULD BE OFF FOR THE FINAL TESTS. ESPECIALLY WITH THE PARTIAL SAMLPE BEFORE THE IV. REMEMBER. UNDILUTED SAMPLE WAS TESTED....YET NO DIFFERENT VALUES. AND YOU STILL SAY HE TOOK THE IV TO MASK PEDS???? HE MICRODOSED FOR 6 YEARS FOR HIS VALUES TO REMAIN STABLE....AND GUESSED JUST THE RIGHT TIME TO BEAT THE WHAT...17 HOURS WHEN HE NEEDED IT TO BE OUT OF HIS SYSTEM IN....OVER 6 YEARS????? IMPOSSIBLE.

Man, GO READ UP!!!! You crack me up!

Floyd didn't have to be perfect for 6 years He only had to have his levels relatively stable for 6-8 weeks once or twice a year. Small increases and decreases are OK. Its obviously spikes that he needs to be concerned about. The spikes can happen BEFORE he gives USADA the green light to start testing. Floyd was in control the whole time .... Other athletes wished they had this type of control.

It would have been quite easy to beat, not impossible as YOU SAID ..... So you are big time WRONG .... AGAIN!!! lol.

OK. So a new PED that can defeat CIR testing is being used now. USADA already told you that though they do CIR testing, they think there is a better way. THE ABP.

So what's the point of what you are saying?

1. Undiluted sample.
2. Partial sample before the IV
3. Partial sample after the IV
4. No prohibited substances found
5. ABP data for 6 years...over 130 random tests
6. Nothing but pure speculation about your micro-dosing theory. Let's conveniently say Manny AcneBack Pacquiao was micro-dosing. How you like that?

All That, yet Mayweather suddenly needs an IV to mask.....and nothing at all is off in his athlete biological passport from testing this undiluted sample in which he needed to take an IV to pass...apparently only because he needed to dilute a threshold substance just enough.....and he knew exactly how much piss would be in the initial sample and how much hydrating he would need to dilute it just enough....and also knew how to not hydrate too much so that he could pass the specific gravity test....and knew when to stop micro-dosing...but didn't know well enough so he needed about 6 hours....?????

BULLSHlT. You're a dummy. Your conspiracy theory has too many big ass holes! GIVE UP AND SHUT UP. THIS IS OVER.

wholly Sh$t you made me crack up!!!! YOU DEFLECTED from Floyd was CIR tested, so there .... to now, "but ... the better thing is ABP" .... lol!

ABP can be beat as there is a range(fluctuation) that it has to accept because there is a chance for error! Its far from perfect as I already told you many times before and even said so above. That guy in the article passed the test by micro-dosing and he is no expert. Imagine Memo or someone in the know? Come on, for Floyd it just needs to be beat for weeks not 365 days.


and you sound exactly like one of those guys that used to support Lance even when they had the evidence. Only when Lance admitted it they got the shock of their lives. Sad but true. Its happened to some athletes that I routed for. I do not pretend like you. In your case, its obvious that Floyd didn't require an IV as per what the head of WADA TUE Committee stated.

You are struggling with that so YOU DEFLECT and HIDE your head in the mud.

[travestyny]

A) Nope, they didn't say that he first gave when the DCO arrived and then 6 hours later .... which is actually way more suspicious .... crazy suspicious and makes 0 sense!!!

While I do not buy either version but like I told you before and DO NOT DUCK, YOU are thinking that FLoyd urinated at 1:50pm and couldn't even urinate 1 drop hours later and required that he drink adequately then still couldn't urinate and had 1 IV, still couldn't urinate so he had a 2nd IV and only after all that and possibly more delays, he finally urinated? lol ..... yup, sound even worse.

Hauser said it was after the weigh-in. USADA did NOT correct Hauser.


Furthermore, USADA said: Floyd provided partial urine sample before and after getting his IV solutions!


Kevin Iole reported:
"Mayweather also applied for, and was given, a therapeutic use exemption (TUE) for rehydration purposes after the May 1 weigh-in. He took two separate mixes. The first was a mixture of 250 ml of saline and multi-vitamins. The second was a 500 ml mixuture of saline and Vitamin C. He was urine tested both before and after taking the solutions."

"Mayweather provided partial urine samples to USADA both prior to and following the infusion."


B) May I remind you that only Floyd can tell you exactly how it was done. So do not come spin/DEFLECT it by saying "You said". Possibilities are endless in Floyd's case! That in itself is a problem.

Never left his sight?
Did you see Floyd surrounded by his big body guards? Floyd could have done something with him just behind one of those huge dudes! Anyways, there is plenty of videos of Floyd. Since the DCO was there next to Floyd at all times, it must be sooo easy to point out who he is. Can you show me who is the DCO? Was it the guy to his right, or his left? lol DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!





Great. So then Floyd must have said that he needs to place a call, like you said and delay instead of focusing on giving a urine sample. Still not good .... but I'm wrong because you have Floyd saying what you said. Oh wait, you do not! Never mind.



Stop DEFLECTING. Floyd isn't going to say what you said 'he told the DCO that he can't piss because he has to go bet on a game".

Floyd is just going to go to the sportsbook and bet on the game and hope that he can get away with delaying some more. and no, I wasn't making up what he said.

Furthermore, check out the entire video. Show me where the FCK was this DCO???

At the end of the video Floyd says what I stated. That whole scene in his van looked shady too.
a) DO NOT DEFLECT: Floyd was laughing it up and looked good.
BE HONEST: Does Floyd look like he has a serious medical condition? DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!



b) Here you go! REAL PROOF!!!
""Hey, I got to go to sportsbook and gotta bet on the game""










Sorry but you are the idioto:
- Can you please do me a favor. Do not urinate for 5-6 hours while drinking adequately from a 1-1.5 liter bottle to rehydrate your body. You can even drink more, right? What is stopping you!!! Let me know if you have a hard time giving 60-90ml of urine.
DO NOT DEFLECT: Let me know if you still think it made any sense for Floyd to get 2 IVs!!!


Sorry but you are the idioto:
"There are many fast acting substances that are out of your body in a few hours or a few days..... Yes, you can micro-dose to circumvent the testing" - Conte
NOW, DO NOT DEFLECT: Do you see how it would help in delaying as much as possible and simultaneously drinking fluids then getting 2 IVs?


"IVs are used for 2 purposes.
1) Is to rehydrate. Many fighters need to dehydrate before a weigh-in and then need to rehydrate.
2) Mask illegal drugs......."All I know is that Floyd never had trouble making the WW weight" - Larry Merchant

Floyd admitted to making weight EASILY.
DO NOT DEFLECT: You saw Floyd with your own eyes. Read his pre-fight form. Had a physical examination. Vital signs normal. Drank adequately.
Which made more sense, Floyd's BS excuses for using an IV or what the head of WADA TUE Committee said about IVs/RETRO TUEs? DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

Sorry but you are the idioto:
'a key difference is that athletes now realize that small doses of steroids or EPO substance are nearly as effective – and much harder to detect. '
DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

Sorry but you are the idioto:
“Sophisticated dopers have come to understand how to work around the Athlete Biological Passport,” he warns. “They have evaluated correctly that they need to pare back taking steroids or EPO and they will still get most of the benefits.”

"Microdosing, especially with testosterone, is the buzz word in elite sport. It is seen as a golden ticket for dopers, using small doses of naturally occurring substances to trick the testers, so that your levels never rise high enough to attract suspicion on your athlete’s biological passport, the blood-profiling system that is meant to reveal the big hormonal changes that drug use usually brings."

"Doping athletes have begun taking smaller doses but more regularly. That way there are no unexpected peaks in your testosterone profile."
DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

Sorry but you are the idioto:
Floyd didn't expect the DCO to show up at that point in time, just like what can happen to other cheats. So at that point in time, its not "what is the ideal thing to do?". It's "Without getting caught, what gives me the best chance of beating the test?" ..... DELAY as much as you can while drinking and getting 2 IVs. That is illegal of course, but if Floyd had a friend, it can be done .... oh wait, USADA to the rescue!!!
DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!

Here were questions to USADA:
Q: My question is, if I knew 20 hours before the test, would I have time to mask PEDs? Six hours? One hour? What would it be?
Travis_Tygart: "Yep, all that."

Travis_Tygart had even said with just 10 minutes. He had said not that tough to do but given the example used, I think its not that easy either in Floyd's ... but I do not see the DCO next to Floyd so perhaps ..... OH WAIT, Floyd delayed, drank orally adequately and had not 1 but 2 IVs!!!



DEFLECTED point "e": Floyd delayed and drank adequately enough. How can Floyd still need an IV after time elapsed and being able to drink?

urine production is 1 ml/min ... do the math. How long would it take to urinate 60-90ml?
Drink 1 liter of water and the urine production goes to 7.5 –8.5 ml/min lol ...
Drink 2 liters of water and urine production peaks at 1 hr at 16ml/min lol ...

DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!! DO THE MATH. How long should it take Floyd to urinate 60-90 ml?


b) Well, I had a hard time picking out who the DCO was. Lets see you show me ..... GO!!! Let me know if you see this DCO at all times next to Floyd.

Like I said, there was Floyd and 6 huge body guards. No DCO. It was also hard to see FLoyd with those body guards. You think its that hard to do something?



DEFLECTION ALERT: Now I need to have a degree in chemistry? lol Too funny! This never stopped you, did it?

I'm going by what I read. SG = 1.002 is about ~10 FOLDs while 1.009 is about ~2.5 FOLDS. Meaning 10X more dilute versus 2.5X more dilute.
TEST #1 had concentration of about 50 ng/ml, TEST #2 had concentration of about 60 ng/ml
Theoretically, IF SG = 1.02 then concentration would be 50 ng/ml X 10 FOLD = 500 ng/ml
Theoretically, IF SG = 1.09 then concentration would be 500 ng/ml / 2.5 FOLD = 200 ng/ml
Theoretically, QUESTs urine sample was slightly dehydrated so a value of 500+ is very normal and expected.

Besides the dilution factor, being that there are other substances of various concentration values in the urine sample, that is why we are seeing the values that we saw for TEST #1 and TEST #2.

WHAT YOU GOT? DO NOT DEFLECT!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!



All you had to do is quote this part and we are all good: "then the DCO informs the Athlete that he/she is required to provide a further Sample."

See, Floyd can delay further!!!!! YOU and DoNothing, were so happy about that but like I said, and I WAS RIGHT, delaying would be advantageous for Floyd because delaying is what Floyd wanted!!!




DEFLECTION ALERT: I told you not to deflect and say what you said, but you did!!!! lol

I know what they did since I pointed it out, NOT YOU!!! So does that mean that SMRTL was NOT following the WADA process and that it was more than likely that they skipped lots of steps?
DO NOT DEFLECT: Does this NOT shoot down Diaz's defense (WADA this and WADA that)??????? DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!!



I showed you but you are lost. I showed you several examples. One where they mentioned that dilution was above threshold but cocaine levels were below threshold.

There was a similar one for marijuana .... JUST look at Diaz's 3 samples. SMRTLs SG of TEST 1 and 2 changed by almost 8 FOLDs but NOT the marijuana metabolites concentration. Why? While there are multiple factors to consider, it still stands that the marijuana levels didn't reflect the SG change.
Remember, that you tried to correlate dilution with marijuana levels but now, you cannot do the same with TEST #1 and TEST #2 where they are both using SG method and BOTH were done by SMRTL? HA!!!

BTW - WADA is even telling you that SG tests have their limitations. Now you are even seeing that they do normalize for certain substances! Why is that? Are they full of SH$T?



1. I already explained it in this post above

2. a) What's 6 hours? So you think that Floyd was micro-dosing 2 minutes before the DCO showed up? lol
b) Anyways, Conte, Novitsky and even Travis(USADA) says that you are WRONG!!!


3. lol .... I guess cheating has stopped according to TRAVESTYNY!!! and the funniest part is that you have the nerve to call others dum!!!! lol GO READ UP!!!
If cyclists, for example, had to test only for 6-8 weeks and no blood testing close to the race, they would be having a field day. yet YOU, MR NAIVE, is stating that this is all dumb .... If you only were able to realize how you look right now .... I think your best bet is DEFLECTING ... lol



How many times do I need to tell you. We do not know the level that USADA helped out but THEY DID!!!

Floyd should not have used an IV because there was no way that Floyd needed it for the reasons he stated and he looked good and was even laughing away getting into that van after the weigh-in. Was OK in the video later on too. The head of WADA TUE Committee was clear. You do not give a RETRO TUE unless Floyd truly had a serious medical condition that was an URGENT case.

So it does NOT even need to be this huge conspiracy theory that you keep on saying that it had to be. Just by not investigating Floyd's IV scandal to get to find out what truly occurred on May 1st was enough! USADA said, lets have the TUEC only see and read what Floyd's doctor wrote and we are meeting the minimal compliancy that WADA requests. You know, something that the WADA Committee pointed out where it was reported that its a weakness in the system. NADOs have been doing that with home town athletes!!!
USADA was paid the extra money not so they could then spend some time investigating Floyd but instead, it was so that USADA would not investigate if it had anything to do with FLoyd.


ABP is not too hard to beat. READ UP. I have some quotes above!



STOP DEFLECTING!!!! Floyd delayed, diluted and used a banned method. Sorry but drinking fluids and getting 2 IVs will dilute your urine sample. It does NOT need to be below 1.005 for the concentrations to go down. PLEASE, I HOPE that is not what you are saying?????????? Is it? DO NOT DEFLECT!!!!!


Go read up what others say including Conte, Novitsky and even Travis(USADA)!!!



1. a) delay already posted about this

b) FLOYD said his urine was dark. Perhaps it was BS, perhaps he had taken in a substance that made his urine darker. As an example, drink Beet juice and let me know what color your urine is even though you are hydrated?

We went over this a long time ago when you Floyd fans said that the IV could have been before the weigh in.

Hauser said it was after the weigh-in. USADA did NOT correct Hauser. Furthermore, USADA said that the urine was taken before and after the IV.

2. Did you not read what others have said? If someone had time, they could mask in even 10 minutes time .... Floyd had time and in that IV there could have been anything to help Floyd not get caught.

3. lol .... right on queue. I told you that you had NOTHING and would hide in your shell as you just did!!!
Also, will those documents have a counter argument or just Floyd's BS written on it? OOOPs, more to DEFLECT!!!! DUCK DUCK, QUACK QUACK!! lol

4. You DEFLECTED THIS: "Yet after many hours, was not able to urinate. You believe that BS?" and this "Was the different type of vitamins going to rehydrate him better? All of that does NOT make any sense!!!"



Man, I need to spell it out for you ..... AGAIN!!! lol

IF a PED that Floyd was using can be easily masked with one of Memo's "20 ways", they gave Floyd the opportunity to do it right in front of them.




Above is what you said.

but, initially, who knew that Lance was cheating?

I had said: Floyd had to also be concerned that they can retest samples a few years later. So I brought up several reasons why including this as to counter your dumb idea to NOT have a RETRO TUE(paper trail)...... You deflected, laughed, whatever .... but now bring it up too!

YOU BASICALLY ARE AGREEING WITH ME NOW ..... SO YOU WERE WRONG BEFORE!!!!




Man, GO READ UP!!!! You crack me up!

Floyd didn't have to be perfect for 6 years He only had to have his levels relatively stable for 6-8 weeks once or twice a year. Small increases and decreases are OK. Its obviously spikes that he needs to be concerned about. The spikes can happen BEFORE he gives USADA the green light to start testing. Floyd was in control the whole time .... Other athletes wished they had this type of control.

It would have been quite easy to beat, not impossible as YOU SAID ..... So you are big time WRONG .... AGAIN!!! lol.



wholly Sh$t you made me crack up!!!! YOU DEFLECTED from Floyd was CIR tested, so there .... to now, "but ... the better thing is ABP" .... lol!

ABP can be beat as there is a range(fluctuation) that it has to accept because there is a chance for error! Its far from perfect as I already told you many times before and even said so above. That guy in the article passed the test by micro-dosing and he is no expert. Imagine Memo or someone in the know? Come on, for Floyd it just needs to be beat for weeks not 365 days.


and you sound exactly like one of those guys that used to support Lance even when they had the evidence. Only when Lance admitted it they got the shock of their lives. Sad but true. Its happened to some athletes that I routed for. I do not pretend like you. In your case, its obvious that Floyd didn't require an IV as per what the head of WADA TUE Committee stated.

You are struggling with that so YOU DEFLECT and HIDE your head in the mud.

I need cliffsnotes. It's it really necessary for me to look through this essay of yours?

Tell me which threshold substance he was abusing. Your whole argument hinges on that.

If you fail....then...I saved my time reading through this garbage.

I'll be waiting.

-----edit-----
Read through most of your reply. Wow. You really are dumb.

1. What do you think the DCO did when he first arrived. I'm guessing...just a wild guess... he asked Floyd to pee. Now, don't duck.... is a partial sample given at 1pm PRIOR TO THE IV???? That you couldn't even understand that is why you are a moron.

2. You are saying Floyd hid behind his bodyguards in a room full of people and did something illegal? Lol. Wow dude. This conspiracy theory is great. Tell me more.

3. Are you now saying the DCO lost sight of Floyd and didn't do his job? I thought this was an upstanding DCO according to your conspiracy theory.

4. About Diaz....quack quack quack. Check my sig. you know the experts say you are wrong. When you are ready to step up about that, let me know. It's cowardly to keep bringing that up knowing you keep ducking me, son.

5. Did you really say something comparing Floyd to cyclists who aren't blood tested at a race? Lol. You know he was blood tested, right?

6. Tell me how you would microdose over 6 years for let's say 4 months each year knowing that the drugs you are taking take approximately 18 hours to clear, and you do this for over 130 tests while being tested strategically by an anti-doping agency. Welcome to the idea about the athlete biological passport. When you explain your idea for planning how to strategically dope and always be safe by planning 18 hours when you KNOW you won't be tested... yea. Explain.

7. WADA doesn't normalize marijuana. They told you that. As far as I know, they normalize for steroids. So... again, tell me something about your theory that makes sense. It doesn't make sense. Whatever is mixed in will be caught. Did you find more info on threshold substances yet? You're behind! Come on. Are you saying the drugs you are accusing him of taking are normalized for dilution and also not threshold substances? Lol. Don't you see this crushes you? You better do something to keep this conspiracy theory going. I got my popcorn ready. Waitingggg...