IV rehydration ban - how do you feel about it, and how do they enforce it?

[i love boxing]

It's only banned under VADA/USADA.

That's what i thought.

[DoktorSleepless]

Where is it banned? it isnt illegal outside of USADA correct?

It's banned by WADA so any agency from any country that's a WADA code signatory has it banned. That includes any organization that does testing for the Olympics, not just USADA.

[ADP02]

Actually its also banned by NSAC

http://boxing.nv.gov/

http://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/b...S-R062-16A.pdf

Sections 11-13 and 18 of this regulation provide that the prohibited substances and prohibited methods in this State are the same as the prohibited substances and prohibited methods in the Prohibited List published by the World Anti-Doping Agency.



Man, the NSAC would NOT have given Floyd a BS RETRO TUE .... or should I say, nobody other than Floyd will ever be able to get a BS RETRO TUE!!!


The Commission will not grant:
(a) A the****utic use exemption that applies to a contest or exhibition in which the applicant has already participated.




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Why are you using Floyd as an example here when this clearly came after the Pacquiao fight? It's time for you to get over your butthurt! Have you tried Pacquiao's sea water remedy yet?

If you had a chance to check up WADA rules and got a chance to hear what the head of WADA TUE Committee had to say about getting to use a banned method and what needs to occur to get a RETRO TUE, Floyd had to have had a serious medical condition. Of course, that meant that Floyd was in such bad shape that Floyd was medicated in a way that some type of fluid was sent directly into Floyd's vein using a needle or tube.



Floyd's pre-fight clearly mentioned questions related to this and Floyd is no newcomer:
- That Floyd had a serious medical condition
- That Floyd used supposedly vitamins by way of an IV
- That Floyd used an IV.

NSAC wants to be notified of the above or else, why did they put those questions and have Floyd sign the form. Right?

At no time before the fight and not for another 21 days did Floyd ever notify the NSAC about all of this.

Furthermore, Floyd just had a pre-fight examination with a NSAC doctor.
- NSAC physician reported nothing unusual about Floyd's medical condition. You would think that if there was something seriously Urgent and wrong about Floyd, the NSAC physician would have realized this.
- Floyd never notified the NSAC physician about his serious and Urgent medical condition.
- Floyd's vital signs were all good.


The NSAC would investigate someone not notifying them about using marijuana 7 days prior to the fight where he failed a marijuana drug test and what one would call "out of competition". Then use it against the athlete in a trial and consider it one of the reasons to suspend him.

The NSAC would investigate someone for incorrectly checking the wrong check box even though they found out BEFORE the fight that Manny was using medication for his shoulder. In other words it was up to the NSAC at that point to either go ahead with Manny fighting or not and let Manny fight and later request an investigation.


Floyd? The Nevada SAC did no investigation, no threat of suspension against the hometown Nevada golden egg named Floyd Mayweather.


Once Floyd retires, we find out that the NSAC does NOT like what Floyd did and lets everyone else know that they cannot do what Floyd did.

[travestyny]

If you had a chance to check up WADA rules and got a chance to hear what the head of WADA TUE Committee had to say about getting to use a banned method and what needs to occur to get a RETRO TUE, Floyd had to have had a serious medical condition. Of course, that meant that Floyd was in such bad shape that Floyd was medicated in a way that some type of fluid was sent directly into Floyd's vein using a needle or tube.



Floyd's pre-fight clearly mentioned questions related to this and Floyd is no newcomer:
- That Floyd had a serious medical condition
- That Floyd used supposedly vitamins by way of an IV
- That Floyd used an IV.

NSAC wants to be notified of the above or else, why did they put those questions and have Floyd sign the form. Right?

At no time before the fight and not for another 21 days did Floyd ever notify the NSAC about all of this.

Furthermore, Floyd just had a pre-fight examination with a NSAC doctor.
- NSAC physician reported nothing unusual about Floyd's medical condition. You would think that if there was something seriously Urgent and wrong about Floyd, the NSAC physician would have realized this.
- Floyd never notified the NSAC physician about his serious and Urgent medical condition.
- Floyd's vital signs were all good.


The NSAC would investigate someone not notifying them about using marijuana 7 days prior to the fight where he failed a marijuana drug test and what one would call "out of competition". Then use it against the athlete in a trial and consider it one of the reasons to suspend him.

The NSAC would investigate someone for incorrectly checking the wrong check box even though they found out BEFORE the fight that Manny was using medication for his shoulder. In other words it was up to the NSAC at that point to either go ahead with Manny fighting or not and let Manny fight and later request an investigation.


Floyd? The Nevada SAC did no investigation, no threat of suspension against the hometown Nevada golden egg named Floyd Mayweather.


Once Floyd retires, we find out that the NSAC does NOT like what Floyd did and lets everyone else know that they cannot do what Floyd did.

Do you actually have a point to all of your rambling?

NSAC said that Floyd did nothing wrong. The man passed all of the drug tests. I believe there were 19 of them.

Let me remind you:

1. The the****utic use exemptions committee is an independent panel of at least three doctors that did not have Floyd Mayweather's name on the application, yet approved it.

2. WADA was sent the application that the TUEC accepted. If the WADA head, who also said he wasn't aware of this particular case, had a problem with it, they should have done their job and reversed it. That's the entire reason it is uploaded to WADA.

3. Again, you are calling out Floyd for not adhering to rules that were made up after the fight in question. There is no point. It's like calling out De La Hoya for his IV infusion. What is the point?

4. Once again, in the history of the NSAC, they have never declared a boxer to be dehydrated after their physical. If you can show me otherwise, I'd love to see it.

[Kigali]

Do you actually have a point to all of your rambling?

NSAC said that Floyd did nothing wrong. The man passed all of the drug tests. I believe there were 19 of them.

Let me remind you:

1. The the****utic use exemptions committee is an independent panel of at least three doctors that did not have Floyd Mayweather's name on the application, yet approved it.

2. WADA was sent the application that the TUEC accepted. If the WADA head, who also said he wasn't aware of this particular case, had a problem with it, they should have done their job and reversed it. That's the entire reason it is uploaded to WADA.

3. Again, you are calling out Floyd for not adhering to rules that were made up after the fight in question. There is no point. It's like calling out De La Hoya for his IV infusion. What is the point?

4. Once again, in the history of the NSAC, they have never declared a boxer to be dehydrated after their physical. If you can show me otherwise, I'd love to see it.

[ADP02]

Do you actually have a point to all of your rambling?

NSAC said that Floyd did nothing wrong. The man passed all of the drug tests. I believe there were 19 of them.

Perhaps you need to reread what I wrote. Its all there.

The NSAC says that others have done wrong when not notifying the NSAC and would be investigated and can be suspended. Floyd did not notify.

NSAC clearly doesn't like that others do what Floyd did.

Let me remind you:

1. The the****utic use exemptions committee is an independent panel of at least three doctors that did not have Floyd Mayweather's name on the application, yet approved it.

Who establishes the USADA TUEC Committee? USADA!!!

Can USADA personnel discuss this case with USADA TUEC? Some members can!


Floyd helped USADA get into the door as far as pro-boxing is concerned and Floyd's reps have paid off USADA for 6+ years.

May I remind you what the head of WADA TUE Committee said:
- USADA getting paid off is a "Murky world"
- USADA NOT being TOTALLY independent is a "Murky world"
- RETRO TUE's are not given as easily as USADA did with Floyd.
- Called it "RED FLAG"
- Said "I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me."
- Said there is an alternative called drinking fluids
- Said it should have been investigated "That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

2. WADA was sent the application that the TUEC accepted. If the WADA head, who also said he wasn't aware of this particular case, had a problem with it, they should have done their job and reversed it. That's the entire reason it is uploaded to WADA.

Sure DEFLECT it off of USADA who was directly involved!!! What did USADA do in other cases where the athletes used an IV without getting a TUE first? Oh yeah, USADA INVESTIGATED to make sure that their story is not in conflict with their statement of why they used an IV or else USADA was going to suspend them for a longer period of time!!!

In that same podcast, he said that WADA does not have the resources to check out all cases. I told you this a long time ago! He just confirmed.
Anyways, being the head of the TUE Committee, you think he is checking the individual cases himself?

3. Again, you are calling out Floyd for not adhering to rules that were made up after the fight in question. There is no point. It's like calling out De La Hoya for his IV infusion. What is the point?

No, that is not the point. Go read what I said.

Plus, I always told you guys what the NSAC thinks about all this. The NSAC is now confirming this. BOOM!

4. Once again, in the history of the NSAC, they have never declared a boxer to be dehydrated after their physical. If you can show me otherwise, I'd love to see it.

Well that is not the point. The point is that if the athlete did what Floyd did and the NSAC was NOT notified, then the NSAC comes down hard on those athletes for not notifying them.

Now the NSAC confirms that they would not be allowed to get a BS RETRO TUE .... so they are basically saying and would have told Floyd or whoever, if you need medical assistance so close to the fight, too bad, so sad but you are not getting our approval.

and if Floyd lets the NSAC know that his situation is so URGENT and severe, there is a good possibility that he wouldn't be able to fight! As I told you for Manny. Once the NSAC said Manny cannot use a legal substance, Manny knew this and told the NSAC that he can fight without the drug. Manny got caught in a bad situation. You didn't care for Manny but are trying to use every excuse in the book for Floyd .... BS excuses.


WADA:
"You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."

Remember that Manny wanted to use a legal substance but the NSAC didn't allow him. So the notification and here the NSAC consent is NOT only for when something is banned!!!!

[travestyny]

Perhaps you need to reread what I wrote. Its all there.

The NSAC says that others have done wrong when not notifying the NSAC and would be investigated and can be suspended. Floyd did not notify.

NSAC clearly doesn't like that others do what Floyd did.

NSAC also clearly stated that Floyd did nothing wrong. Is there anything you don't understand about that?

Who establishes the USADA TUEC Committee? USADA!!!

Can USADA personnel discuss this case with USADA TUEC? Some members can!

Again, the TUEC is an independent group of 3 doctors who didn't have Mayweather's name on the application. Feel free to continue speculating about what they did. Unless you are on the TUE committee, I'm sure you have no idea what you are talking about. Again. Mayweather's name was not revealed to the TUEC as per the rules.

Floyd helped USADA get into the door as far as pro-boxing is concerned and Floyd's reps have paid off USADA for 6+ years.

Yea. USADA is heavy hitters in boxing right now. Great job, Floyd. (that's sarcasm, in case you didn't know). Way to keep speculating....based on being a butthurt fan of the loser.

May I remind you what the head of WADA TUE Committee said:
- USADA getting paid off is a "Murky world"
- USADA NOT being TOTALLY independent is a "Murky world"
- RETRO TUE's are not given as easily as USADA did with Floyd.
- Called it "RED FLAG"
- Said "I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me."
- Said there is an alternative called drinking fluids
- Said it should have been investigated "That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

May I remind you that WADA had the right to review and reverse the decision. WADA did not.

Let me remind you that you never complained when Bob Arum was paying for VADA testing. Did you?

Sure DEFLECT it off of USADA who was directly involved!!! What did USADA do in other cases where the athletes used an IV without getting a TUE first? Oh yeah, USADA INVESTIGATED to make sure that their story is not in conflict with their statement of why they used an IV or else USADA was going to suspend them for a longer period of time!!!

Was the DCO present during these other athletes use of an IV? When are you going to acknowledge that these situations are not the same. AGAIN, THE DCO WAS PRESENT WHEN MAYWEATHER HAD THE IV. THE DCO ALSO TOOK A PARTIAL SAMPLE FROM BEFORE THE IV. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN IN THE OTHER CASES.

In that same podcast, he said that WADA does not have the resources to check out all cases. I told you this a long time ago! He just confirmed.
Anyways, being the head of the TUE Committee, you think he is checking the individual cases himself?

For one, it's not clear if they checked or not since they are not given the athletes names. Second, if USADA followed the rules, and WADA dropped the ball.......then WADA dropped the ball. STFU and go complain to WADA that they should comb through their database for cases involving IV's around May 2015.

No, that is not the point. Go read what I said.

Plus, I always told you guys what the NSAC thinks about all this. The NSAC is now confirming this. BOOM!

Yes. NSAC also confirmed that Mayweather did nothing wrong. How about you go back, read that statement, and stfu. Stop your crying.

Well that is not the point. The point is that if the athlete did what Floyd did and the NSAC was NOT notified, then the NSAC comes down hard on those athletes for not notifying them.

Now the NSAC confirms that they would not be allowed to get a BS RETRO TUE .... so they are basically saying and would have told Floyd or whoever, if you need medical assistance so close to the fight, too bad, so sad but you are not getting our approval.

and if Floyd lets the NSAC know that his situation is so URGENT and severe, there is a good possibility that he wouldn't be able to fight! As I told you for Manny. Once the NSAC said Manny cannot use a legal substance, Manny knew this and told the NSAC that he can fight without the drug. Manny got caught in a bad situation. You didn't care for Manny but are trying to use every excuse in the book for Floyd .... BS excuses.

What you mean to say is that Manny tried to cheat and got caught, and had no choice but to not cheat. On the other hand, Mayweather followed the rules that were in place at that time for USADA and NSAC. So again....you have nothing. Shut the **** up already.

WADA:
"You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."

DCO was present and witnessed the need for an IV according to the statement released to the public. Maybe he checked the bowl for diarrhea. Why don't you go get the medical records and report back to us.

Remember that Manny wanted to use a legal substance but the NSAC didn't allow him. So the notification and here the NSAC consent is NOT only for when something is banned!!!!

Wrong. NSAC didn't stop him from using Toradol throughout his training camp, did they? Or are you trying to argue that Mayweather was taking an IV an hour before the fight? Hmmm.

Give up, clown.

[DoktorSleepless]

Perhaps you need to reread what I wrote. Its all there.

The NSAC says that others have done wrong when not notifying the NSAC and would be investigated and can be suspended. Floyd did not notify.

NSAC clearly doesn't like that others do what Floyd did.


Who establishes the USADA TUEC Committee? USADA!!!

Can USADA personnel discuss this case with USADA TUEC? Some members can!


Floyd helped USADA get into the door as far as pro-boxing is concerned and Floyd's reps have paid off USADA for 6+ years.

May I remind you what the head of WADA TUE Committee said:
- USADA getting paid off is a "Murky world"
- USADA NOT being TOTALLY independent is a "Murky world"
- RETRO TUE's are not given as easily as USADA did with Floyd.
- Called it "RED FLAG"
- Said "I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me."
- Said there is an alternative called drinking fluids
- Said it should have been investigated "That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."



Sure DEFLECT it off of USADA who was directly involved!!! What did USADA do in other cases where the athletes used an IV without getting a TUE first? Oh yeah, USADA INVESTIGATED to make sure that their story is not in conflict with their statement of why they used an IV or else USADA was going to suspend them for a longer period of time!!!

In that same podcast, he said that WADA does not have the resources to check out all cases. I told you this a long time ago! He just confirmed.
Anyways, being the head of the TUE Committee, you think he is checking the individual cases himself?




No, that is not the point. Go read what I said.

Plus, I always told you guys what the NSAC thinks about all this. The NSAC is now confirming this. BOOM!




Well that is not the point. The point is that if the athlete did what Floyd did and the NSAC was NOT notified, then the NSAC comes down hard on those athletes for not notifying them.

Now the NSAC confirms that they would not be allowed to get a BS RETRO TUE .... so they are basically saying and would have told Floyd or whoever, if you need medical assistance so close to the fight, too bad, so sad but you are not getting our approval.

and if Floyd lets the NSAC know that his situation is so URGENT and severe, there is a good possibility that he wouldn't be able to fight! As I told you for Manny. Once the NSAC said Manny cannot use a legal substance, Manny knew this and told the NSAC that he can fight without the drug. Manny got caught in a bad situation. You didn't care for Manny but are trying to use every excuse in the book for Floyd .... BS excuses.


WADA:
"You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."

Remember that Manny wanted to use a legal substance but the NSAC didn't allow him. So the notification and here the NSAC consent is NOT only for when something is banned!!!!

Do you have a link to what you're referring to? I haven't heard that interview.

[ADP02]

Do you have a link to what you're referring to? I haven't heard that interview.

This is the head of WADA TUE Committee saying this!

At 30:50 minute mark
https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/wa...use-abuse-tues

"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment.


"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY). Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."

[Raonic]

IVs over the limit are banned no because of dehydration.

But if a fighter is dehydrated coming into a fight, that is 100% on them. If they didn't have a proper training camp and drained themselves to make weight, then they should take the results of their decisions and continue with the fight. If you're dehydrated because you're sick, then call off the fight or go into the fight sick.