A P4P Record

[g27region]

There's three criterias in my p4p list

1 - Resume
2 - Skills
3 - Future potential - For example, I can't deny accomplishments of fighters like Pacquiao and Klichko, they're future hall of famers, but at this point they're past their prime and there's no potential for their careers to develop further, so I'd replace them with young talents in my p4p list

1) Roman Chocolatito

He might be one of the best fighters ever in his own weight class. I thought that the winner of Kovalev/Ward will be the leader of my p4p list, but that fight exposed their flaws, so there's no clear p4p leader for me

2) Andre Ward

Boring, ugly, but effective and a hell of a resume for today's standarts

3) Vasyl Lomachenko

He has a solid resume for 8 fights, skills and future potential, people act like Walters fight never happened, like they were never saying it's a close fight, like Walters wasn't considered a top scalp, that's the guy who KTFO top 5 p4p fighter in Donaire, you can't get a scalp of higher value than Walters, that was THE best possible fight for Loma at 130 and he dominated that guy, at this point everybody at 130 and 135 is a mismatch for Loma except for Mikey Garcia. Combined win/loss ratio of Lomachenko's defeated opposition is crazy compared to other fighters in my list

4) Bud Crawford

That's my another favorite. I'd want to put him higher on my list, but Postol wasn't an impressive scalp for me (you can't expect a guy with no amateur experience and low KO ratio to beat Crawford, he doesn't even have a lucky punch chance), and Gamboa was too small. Other than that, there's nobody who can beat him at 140 at this moment. I want to see Crawford against Felix Diaz

5) Sergey Kovalev

It doesn't matter how close that fight with Ward was, it's still a loss on paper. Kovalev is more than just a puncher, I think people overrate his punching power but underestimate his boxing skills. He's not too consistent and disciplined to be higher in my list though

6) Rigondeaux

I expect him to get out of my top 10 p4p eventually, because he's aging and struggling to get meaningful and relevant fights that would cement his position in my top 10 p4p list. But you can't deny he has an elite scalp in Donaire. He has all these 2 criterias I was talking about (resume and skills) but he doesn't have that third criteria, I can't see the future potential for his career yet. I hope that will change soon, because he has hall of fame kind of talent

7) Golovkin

I can't deny that he's the man at 160, but he needs to beat Danny Jacobs (certified 2# in the division) for me to even start thinking about having him in top 5. If he beats Canelo, Jacobs and Charlo he's in a top 5, without a doubt but I think I just can't put him above Lomachenko and Crawford, because of his age

8) Canelo Alvarez

I don't like his style, I don't see nothing special about the kid except for good counterpunching, and his footwork is too cement for me. But he's young and he got a lot of time, and maybe he's not even in his prime yet. He's the biggest cash cow in boxing and based on that fact alone, he deserves a spot in p4p list

9) Mikey Garcia

I like Mikey Garcia, he has amazing timing and accuracy, the only thing that I don't like about his style is that he looks like he's headhunting too much and doesn't go to the body even if there's a great opportunities for that. He has p4p kind of talent, I've had him at 10th spot and that was an advance to his skills but after his win against Zlaticanin I think he'll be the problem for everybody out here

10) Oleksandr Usyk

Amazing handspeed and footwork for cruiserweight. One of the most skilled cruiserweights ever, making all other fighters in that weight class looking like stiff bums. And he has an elite scalp in Glowacki, I mean, some p4p guys like Golovkin doesn't even have scalp of Glowacki's caliber in their resumes

[KingHippo]

Calm down boy, you sound like a menstrual woman.

Now, Your claim that Ward beta Kovalev is ridiculous, even in the opinions of those few who felt Ward won, no one thought it was decisive.

In terms of Kovalev at 175, no one has tested him. Absolutely no one. Chilemba took him round, Hopkins took him rounds but Kova has won decisively against all the top guys in his division and done so often with KOs. A top p4p fighter has to be levels above his opposition. At no point has he been shown to be anything else. However you saw the Ward fight, there can be no denying he battered Ward in the first half to such an extent that the guy literally jogged across 3 corners of the ring to get away from him lol

Kov showed he was superior to Ward at range and up close. The only argument I often hear for Ward winning is that he survived the kd and showed heart. Thats not a criteria for winning a fight. As for Hopkins, he beat Shumenov for the WBA belt. I dunno if your dense or trolling at this point.

By ranking Ward so high, you're not even following your own criteria, considering Ward has one world class "win" in years lol But whatever, keep trolling

Oh yeah, I forgot about ****ing Beibut Shumenov, that changes EVERYTHING. Hopkins was still old and frail and Kovalev couldn't even take him out.

Whatever your opinion on the Ward fight, Kovalev certainly did not decisively win.

But the more I speak to you, the more I'm realizing I've been ****** into a troll thread. Well played.

[NEETzsche]

1. Gonzalez
2. Lomachenko
3. Crawford
4. Kovalev
5. Ward
6. Golovkin
7. Pacquiao
8. Mikey Garcia
9. Usyk
10. Cuadras

To me you can't have Roman as #1 yet not include Cuadras, who gave him hell and almost beat him. Rigondeaux would be high on my list but for inactivity

[Canelo and GGG]

There's three criterias in my p4p list

1 - Resume
2 - Skills
3 - Future potential - For example, I can't deny accomplishments of fighters like Pacquiao and Klichko, they're future hall of famers, but at this point they're past their prime and there's no potential for their careers to develop further, so I'd replace them with young talents in my p4p list

1) Roman Chocolatito

He might be one of the best fighters ever in his own weight class. I thought that the winner of Kovalev/Ward will be the leader of my p4p list, but that fight exposed their flaws, so there's no clear p4p leader for me

2) Andre Ward

Boring, ugly, but effective and a hell of a resume for today's standarts

3) Vasyl Lomachenko

He has a solid resume for 8 fights, skills and future potential, people act like Walters fight never happened, like they were never saying it's a close fight, like Walters wasn't considered a top scalp, that's the guy who KTFO top 5 p4p fighter in Donaire, you can't get a scalp of higher value than Walters, that was THE best possible fight for Loma at 130 and he dominated that guy, at this point everybody at 130 and 135 is a mismatch for Loma except for Mikey Garcia. Combined win/loss ratio of Lomachenko's defeated opposition is crazy compared to other fighters in my list

4) Bud Crawford

That's my another favorite. I'd want to put him higher on my list, but Postol wasn't an impressive scalp for me (you can't expect a guy with no amateur experience and low KO ratio to beat Crawford, he doesn't even have a lucky punch chance), and Gamboa was too small. Other than that, there's nobody who can beat him at 140 at this moment. I want to see Crawford against Felix Diaz

5) Sergey Kovalev

It doesn't matter how close that fight with Ward was, it's still a loss on paper. Kovalev is more than just a puncher, I think people overrate his punching power but underestimate his boxing skills. He's not too consistent and disciplined to be higher in my list though

6) Rigondeaux

I expect him to get out of my top 10 p4p eventually, because he's aging and struggling to get meaningful and relevant fights that would cement his position in my top 10 p4p list. But you can't deny he has an elite scalp in Donaire. He has all these 2 criterias I was talking about (resume and skills) but he doesn't have that third criteria, I can't see the future potential for his career yet. I hope that will change soon, because he has hall of fame kind of talent

7) Golovkin

I can't deny that he's the man at 160, but he needs to beat Danny Jacobs (certified 2# in the division) for me to even start thinking about having him in top 5. If he beats Canelo, Jacobs and Charlo he's in a top 5, without a doubt but I think I just can't put him above Lomachenko and Crawford, because of his age

8) Canelo Alvarez

I don't like his style, I don't see nothing special about the kid except for good counterpunching, and his footwork is too cement for me. But he's young and he got a lot of time, and maybe he's not even in his prime yet. He's the biggest cash cow in boxing and based on that fact alone, he deserves a spot in p4p list

9) Mikey Garcia

I like Mikey Garcia, he has amazing timing and accuracy, the only thing that I don't like about his style is that he looks like he's headhunting too much and doesn't go to the body even if there's a great opportunities for that. He has p4p kind of talent, I've had him at 10th spot and that was an advance to his skills but after his win against Zlaticanin I think he'll be the problem for everybody out here

10) Oleksandr Usyk

Amazing handspeed and footwork for cruiserweight. One of the most skilled cruiserweights ever, making all other fighters in that weight class looking like stiff bums. And he has an elite scalp in Glowacki, I mean, some p4p guys like Golovkin doesn't even have scalp of Glowacki's caliber in their resumes

I have Canelo high on my list cuse of resume and skills ,but if you dont see anything in him ,dont list him .Spot on P4P list for being cash cow?

[g27region]

I have Canelo high on my list cuse of resume and skills ,but if you dont see anything in him ,dont list him .Spot on P4P list for being cash cow?

I've said he deserves a mention based on that fact alone, not that he's in my list because of that because he got some good resume to solidify his position, plus there's the third criteria - his future potential

[Canelo and GGG]

I've said he deserves a mention based on that fact alone, not that he's in my list because of that because he got some good resume to solidify his position, plus there's the third criteria - his future potential

Fair enough

[soul_survivor]

There's three criterias in my p4p list

1 - Resume
2 - Skills
3 - Future potential - For example, I can't deny accomplishments of fighters like Pacquiao and Klichko, they're future hall of famers, but at this point they're past their prime and there's no potential for their careers to develop further, so I'd replace them with young talents in my p4p list

1) Roman Chocolatito

He might be one of the best fighters ever in his own weight class. I thought that the winner of Kovalev/Ward will be the leader of my p4p list, but that fight exposed their flaws, so there's no clear p4p leader for me

2) Andre Ward

Boring, ugly, but effective and a hell of a resume for today's standarts

3) Vasyl Lomachenko

He has a solid resume for 8 fights, skills and future potential, people act like Walters fight never happened, like they were never saying it's a close fight, like Walters wasn't considered a top scalp, that's the guy who KTFO top 5 p4p fighter in Donaire, you can't get a scalp of higher value than Walters, that was THE best possible fight for Loma at 130 and he dominated that guy, at this point everybody at 130 and 135 is a mismatch for Loma except for Mikey Garcia. Combined win/loss ratio of Lomachenko's defeated opposition is crazy compared to other fighters in my list

4) Bud Crawford

That's my another favorite. I'd want to put him higher on my list, but Postol wasn't an impressive scalp for me (you can't expect a guy with no amateur experience and low KO ratio to beat Crawford, he doesn't even have a lucky punch chance), and Gamboa was too small. Other than that, there's nobody who can beat him at 140 at this moment. I want to see Crawford against Felix Diaz

5) Sergey Kovalev

It doesn't matter how close that fight with Ward was, it's still a loss on paper. Kovalev is more than just a puncher, I think people overrate his punching power but underestimate his boxing skills. He's not too consistent and disciplined to be higher in my list though

6) Rigondeaux

I expect him to get out of my top 10 p4p eventually, because he's aging and struggling to get meaningful and relevant fights that would cement his position in my top 10 p4p list. But you can't deny he has an elite scalp in Donaire. He has all these 2 criterias I was talking about (resume and skills) but he doesn't have that third criteria, I can't see the future potential for his career yet. I hope that will change soon, because he has hall of fame kind of talent

7) Golovkin

I can't deny that he's the man at 160, but he needs to beat Danny Jacobs (certified 2# in the division) for me to even start thinking about having him in top 5. If he beats Canelo, Jacobs and Charlo he's in a top 5, without a doubt but I think I just can't put him above Lomachenko and Crawford, because of his age

8) Canelo Alvarez

I don't like his style, I don't see nothing special about the kid except for good counterpunching, and his footwork is too cement for me. But he's young and he got a lot of time, and maybe he's not even in his prime yet. He's the biggest cash cow in boxing and based on that fact alone, he deserves a spot in p4p list

9) Mikey Garcia

I like Mikey Garcia, he has amazing timing and accuracy, the only thing that I don't like about his style is that he looks like he's headhunting too much and doesn't go to the body even if there's a great opportunities for that. He has p4p kind of talent, I've had him at 10th spot and that was an advance to his skills but after his win against Zlaticanin I think he'll be the problem for everybody out here

10) Oleksandr Usyk

Amazing handspeed and footwork for cruiserweight. One of the most skilled cruiserweights ever, making all other fighters in that weight class looking like stiff bums. And he has an elite scalp in Glowacki, I mean, some p4p guys like Golovkin doesn't even have scalp of Glowacki's caliber in their resumes

Do you place time limits on your resume and what do you do when guys arei nactive for too long or after a good start only face mediocre opposition?

I feel somehow that you're not following your own criteria with how those guys have been listed but its a detailed post and just what I was looking for!

I realised I need to update my own op lol

[BIG GUNZ]

Interesting. How recent is recent?

About the past 3 years. So on average a fighters last 5 fights, how good their competition was in those fights, how dominant they were in those fights, & also based on their skills currently.

[soul_survivor]

About the past 3 years. So on average a fighters last 5 fights, how good their competition was in those fights, how dominant they were in those fights, & also based on their skills currently.

Good stuff.

Let's see how the list changes over the course of the year.

[koolkc107]

What criteria have you used for this?

I've explained it in other threads.

What it boils down to is this: Eye test + strength of competition (with the emphasis on what that competition did before AND after the meeting with the fighter on the list).