The ring magazine is as ******ed as the alphabet gangs

[Pugilisticuffs]

He pays taxes and trainers fees with every purse. As the purse goes up the more you pay. What's that got to do with the offer?

$15 mil is more than he's worth. He makes between 2-3 mil usually, he's worth more than 5x his highest payday is he?

How does he need world titles? There's no world titles on the line for Canelo-Chavez but that fight will **** all over Golovkin-Jacobs in sales.

Your excuses are getting VERY weak now.

GOLOVKIN GOING TO DUCK. When he does, there's going to be a lot more people calling him out on it than there is now.

Oscar's original offer was only $10 million flat IIRC. Then they sweetened it by offering $15 million. Still not enough when you break everything down. They're millions of dollars off. For smaller fighters in the lower divisions that make sub 1 million per fight the difference between 50-100K can make or break a fight. You know nothing about the business. This is clear. I broke the financials down for you, which you requested, and proved that the offer wasn't "great". By the time September rolls around, assuming both continue to win their fights, that $15 million flat fee guarantee looks even less tempting.

I know a member of Jacobs' team that was just at the negotiating table with GGG. They requested a 40% split from the WBA when the mandated purse bid split is 75/25 for WBA "Super" and WBA "Regular" world champions, the Regular title being a secondary one. That's the split they're both getting because the WBA denied the request since Golovkin is their full "Super" designated titleholder. Golovkin would have 4 world titles on the line to Canelo's Ring magazine "lineal" title if/when they fight. It takes two to tango and Canelo isn't making serious bank without Golovkin unless he does freakshow fights like JCC Jr., and that's the only one he's got left in his pocket.

[Robbie Barrett]

Oscar's original offer was only $10 million flat IIRC. Then they sweetened it by offering $15 million. Still not enough when you break everything down. They're millions of dollars off. For smaller fighters in the lower divisions that make sub 1 million per fight the difference between 50-100K can make or break a fight. You know nothing about the business. This is clear. I broke the financials down for you, which you requested, and proved that the offer wasn't "great". By the time September rolls around, assuming both continue to win their fights, that $15 million flat fee guarantee looks even less tempting.

I know a member of Jacobs' team that was just at the negotiating table with GGG. They requested a 40% split from the WBA when the mandated purse bid split is 75/25 for WBA "Super" and WBA "Regular" world champions, the Regular title being a secondary one. That's the split they're both getting because the WBA denied the request since Golovkin is their full "Super" designated titleholder. Golovkin would have 4 world titles on the line to Canelo's Ring magazine "lineal" title if/when they fight. It takes two to tango and Canelo isn't making serious bank without Golovkin unless he does freakshow fights like JCC Jr., and that's the only one he's got left in his pocket.

Your numbers are based on 1.5 million buys. A ridiculous prediction. But even if it did sell that $15 mil is what still close to 30%? Golovkin isn't even worth that when Canelo is atleast 3x a bigger draw. However you cut it $15 mil is a great offer for a fighter that makes 2-3, him turning it down will be indefensible.

Why are you bringing up titles still? They aren't worth shit in this fight. It would still sell the same if none were on the line.

All you have proven is how ridiculously you nuthug Golovkin.

Golovkin going to duck. You know it, i know it.

[Pugilisticuffs]

Your numbers are based on 1.5 million buys. A ridiculous prediction. But even if it did sell that $15 mil is what still close to 30%? Golovkin isn't even worth that when Canelo is atleast 3x a bigger draw. However you cut it $15 mil is a great offer for a fighter that makes 2-3, him turning it down will be indefensible.

Why are you bringing up titles still? They aren't worth shit in this fight. It would still sell the same if none were on the line.

All you have proven is how ridiculously you nuthug Golovkin.

Golovkin going to duck. You know it, i know it.

Nope. I did the numbers for a projected minimum of 1 million PPV buys initially and that's WITHOUT gate and merchandise revenue included. Then, there's this from USA Today's Boxing Junkie last September...

There’s little doubt it would be action-packed (unlike Mayweather-Pacquiao) and the fight would surely eclipse the coveted 1 million PPV-buy mark. GGG has scored 23 consecutive KOs and would be favored. Canelo is perhaps the best combination puncher in the sport.

Canelo Alvarez-Gennady Golovkin mega-fight will happen, but expect to wait at least a year

If they both continue their winning ways then fast forward to September 2017 and between 1.25 to 1.5 is not out of the question. The more a fight is built up the more PPV buys, this has been proven historically. It's had plenty of time to 'marinate' and will be given that much more.

Canelo already DUCKED Golovkin you tard. It's a well known fact. That's how he lost his WBC world title. He's been stalling ever since.

[Robbie Barrett]

Nope. I did the numbers for a projected minimum of 1 million PPV buys initially and that's WITHOUT gate and merchandise revenue included. Then, there's this from USA Today's Boxing Junkie last September...



Canelo Alvarez-Gennady Golovkin mega-fight will happen, but expect to wait at least a year

If they both continue their winning ways then fast forward to September 2017 and between 1.25 to 1.5 is not out of the question. The more a fight is built up the more PPV buys, this has been proven historically. It's had plenty of time to 'marinate' and will be given that much more.

Canelo already DUCKED Golovkin you tard. It's a well known fact. That's how he lost his WBC world title. He's been stalling ever since.

Yes you did and came out with 40%+ split for Golovkin using those. Then you moved to a ridiculous 1.5 mil to try and help your case but even then Golovkin would be walking away with more than 25%. Both way more than he deserves against Canelo.

You proved my point that it's a great offer. You look ridiculous trying to defend Golovkins likely duck. Even more so when he ends up back on HBO making $2mil.

Bad offer though. Derp Derp Derp

[Pugilisticuffs]

Yes you did and came out with 40%+ split for Golovkin using those. Then you moved to a ridiculous 1.5 mil to try and help your case but even then Golovkin would be walking away with more than 25%. Both way more than he deserves against Canelo.

You proved my point that it's a great offer. You look ridiculous trying to defend Golovkins likely duck. Even more so when he ends up back on HBO making $2mil.

Bad offer though. Derp Derp Derp

Do you even know what MSRP is? That acronym stands for Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price or SRP, Suggested Retail Price. The price per unit/PPV could be as high as $75 a pop, easy. Then, whether the consumer purchases the broadcast in SD or HD adds or potentially subtracts roughly $10 per unit from the baseline figure. For just 1 million buys at $75 per unit (PPV buy) that's $37.5 million after the approximate 50% PPV provider split that's left over. Canelo would be paid $22.5 million from that split on top of the entire live gate and any merchandise sales and potentially any rebroadcasting rights fees money? Yeah right. That's already $7.5 million more than Golovkin would make at 1 million PPV buys alone. Throw in the rest and Canelo walks away loaded and GGG with a meager $15 million guarantee for a fight that will gross big in PPV & gate revenue.

Canelo isn't worth exponentially more than Golovkin is. Check his PPV numbers lately, not what he's making (you can make a lot and losses have to be recouped, ie., Roc Nation with Ward for a bombed PPV). Also consider that he isn't even a world champion so the "Championship" fight billing would be purely on Golovkin's side of the table.

You lose. DERP. Take a poll and see for yourself. You can't even do the math which is why you think it's such a "great" offer for GGG.

[Robbie Barrett]

Do you even know what MSRP is? That acronym stands for Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price or SRP, Suggested Retail Price. The price per unit/PPV could be as high as $75 a pop, easy. Then, whether the consumer purchases the broadcast in SD or HD adds or potentially subtracts roughly $10 per unit from the baseline figure. For just 1 million buys at $75 per unit (PPV buy) that's $37.5 million after the approximate 50% PPV provider split that's left over. Canelo would be paid $22.5 million from that split on top of the entire live gate and any merchandise sales and potentially any rebroadcasting rights fees money? Yeah right. That's already $7.5 million more than Golovkin would make at 1 million PPV buys alone. Throw in the rest and Canelo walks away loaded and GGG with a meager $15 million guarantee for a fight that will gross big in PPV & gate revenue.

Canelo isn't worth exponentially more than Golovkin is. Check his PPV numbers lately, not what he's making (you can make a lot and losses have to be recouped, ie., Roc Nation with Ward for a bombed PPV). Also consider that he isn't even a world champion so the "Championship" fight billing would be purely on Golovkin's side of the table.

You lose. DERP. Take a poll and see for yourself. You can't even do the math which is why you think it's such a "great" offer for GGG.

However you spin the numbers it still comes out as a great deal for Golovkin. It's clear for anyone to see. Turning down 5x your highest payday isn't a good look.

B,b,b but percentage though.

[Real King Kong]

It doesn't matter why. It's a great offer that's all that matters. A great offer that nobody in Golovkins position should turn down. He has no other options to make 10 mil+.

It does matter. Why the unconventional flat fee when they could offer a percentage...even a low ball percentage? What's the point of trying to stop ggg from getting any upside if they want the fight so bad? Has anyone actually seen any paperwork for this so called offer...or are they just blowing smoke through the media? If this 15mil is equivalent to a fair %, then why not just offer the %? This could be a cashout fight for ggg...if he loses, i doubt he'll get a rematch.

[Robbie Barrett]

It does matter. Why the unconventional flat fee when they could offer a percentage...even a low ball percentage? What's the point of trying to stop ggg from getting any upside if they want the fight so bad? Has anyone actually seen any paperwork for this so called offer...or are they just blowing smoke through the media? If this 15mil is equivalent to a fair %, then why not just offer the %? This could be a cashout fight for ggg...if he loses, i doubt he'll get a rematch.

$15 mil is cash out enough, it's 5x more than he's ever earned. I find it crazy that he hasn't agreed already. He has no other options, if he turns it down he'll likely end up back on HBO fighting a mandatory making $2 mil. Canelo is likely going to earn more fighting Chavez than he will fighting Golovkin because Chavez is only getting paid 6 mil. He should take the money, Canelo holds all the cards and Golovkin isn't getting any younger.

[Pugilisticuffs]

However you spin the numbers it still comes out as a great deal for Golovkin. It's clear for anyone to see. Turning down 5x your highest payday isn't a good look.

B,b,b but percentage though.

I broke the numbers down right in front of you. Nice try. Do you realize just how much in GATE a fight of this magnitude would do? The ticket prices would be adjusted accordingly and they'd be costly as well as the PPV unit pricing.

Here's all that you need to know about Canelo's "drawing power" from his last outing against JMW titleholder Liam Smith. When he doesn't have a fit dance partner then his PPV buys suffer. He isn't this huge draw you're pretending he is, not without the right partner.

Canelo Alvarez, Liam Smith FLOPS 250K PPV Buys; Golovkin, Brook 500k PPV Buys {1.4M views on HBO}

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-zM0r-dwuM

What isn't a good look is ducking the consensus unified champion of your division and trashing your one and only WORLD title. He GAVE GGG his WBC world title when he was mandated to fight him. Check each of the major sanctioning bodies' championship policies and you'll see that the full titleholder of each organization is entitled to the bulk majority of the split when negotiations aren't successful and a purse bid is conducted.

Again, 75% is going to GGG and only 25% to Jacobs was the split for their upcoming fight. Canelo has no leverage at the world championship level because he has no world title hardware to even bring to the negotiations table. He has drawing power based on who his dance partner is and a lineal trinket from his promoter. That's it. He isn't this big A-side draw that you're claiming he is.

Boxing Superstar and Unified Middleweight World Champion Gennady “GGG” Golovkin’s, (36-0, 33KO’s), fifth round stoppage of previously undefeated UK Superstar, “The Special One” Kell Brook, (36-1, 25KO’s) was viewed by a combined 1,436,000 viewers on HBO World Championship Boxing this past Saturday, September 10, marking it as the most watched HBO boxing event in 2016 and the highest rated HBO international boxing telecast in many years viewed live by 843,000 fans and same-day rebroadcast by 593,000 viewers.

The thrilling victory by Golovkin was also viewed live on TV Azteca by 1,560,000 viewers in Mexico on Saturday afternoon. Golovkin’s fights are broadcast in over 100 countries which all reported strong viewership numbers for this event.

Golovkin vs. Brook = Big ratings

[Robbie Barrett]

I broke the numbers down right in front of you. Nice try. Do you realize just how much in GATE a fight of this magnitude would do? The ticket prices would be adjusted accordingly and they'd be costly as well as the PPV unit pricing.

Here's all that you need to know about Canelo's "drawing power" from his last outing against JMW titleholder Liam Smith. When he doesn't have a fit dance partner then his PPV buys suffer. He isn't this huge draw you're pretending he is, not without the right partner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-zM0r-dwuM

What isn't a good look is ducking the consensus unified champion of your division and trashing your one and only WORLD title. He GAVE GGG his WBC world title when he was mandated to fight him. Check each of the major sanctioning bodies' championship policies and you'll see that the full titleholder of each organization is entitled to the bulk majority of the split when negotiations aren't successful and a purse bid is conducted.

Again, 75% is going to GGG and only 25% to Jacobs was the split for their upcoming fight. Canelo has no leverage at the world championship level because he has no world title hardware to even bring to the negotiations table. He has drawing power based on who his dance partner is and a lineal trinket from his promoter. That's it. He isn't this big A-side draw that you're claiming he is.



Golovkin vs. Brook = Big ratings

Canelo-Smith did 300k and 51k attendance. That's Canelo's weakest showing. Golovkin can't even get on PPV fighting that level of opponent, he's on regular HBO. UK fans bought the Brook-Golovkin PPV for the UK fighter, UK is irrelevant in the Canelo v Golovkin fight because it won't be UK PPV.

Desperately trying to justify the upcoming duck and embarrassing yourself.

Canelo's gate alone made $5 mil. That's more than Golovkin-Lemieux PPV.