The ring magazine is as ******ed as the alphabet gangs

[Pugilisticuffs]

Tak a poll, why? Like you most fans haven't got a clue. You don't know how the revenue breaks down, if you did you'd know it's a great offer.

I want you to show me how it breaks down so i can laugh at you.

If the fight sells 1 mil how would the financials break down, show me.

The fight would be much higher in profile than Kovalev-Ward, which went for $60 (SD) to $70 (HD) a pop PER PPV. This fight would be a mega fight and do a hell of a lot of PPV buys AND a huge number in gate. Let's say that this PPV only does 1 million buys @ $60 a pop, that's 60 million dollars just in PPV revenue. Cut that in half approximately for the PPV provider and that's 30 million just in PPV revenue alone you clown. Now add in the gate, many millions of dollars more. This fight will easily do over 1 million PPV purchases (including HD purchases which are $10 more apiece) and could fill a stadium. A flat figure of $15 million is insulting and exactly why Oscar made the offer to Golovkin, knowing he wouldn't take such a ridiculous "deal".

Not to mention the MSRP of the PPV could be more than $60 base for the Standard Definition broadcast. I could see ~$65-$75 for the SD & HD, respectively.

[Robbie Barrett]

The fight would be much higher in profile than Kovalev-Ward, which went for $60 (SD) to $70 (HD) a pop PER PPV. This fight would be a mega fight and do a hell of a lot of PPV buys AND a huge number in gate. Let's say that this PPV only does 1 million buys @ $60 a pop, that's 60 million dollars just in PPV revenue. Cut that in half approximately for the PPV provider and that's 30 million just in PPV revenue alone you clown. Now add in the gate, many millions of dollars more. This fight will easily do over 1 million PPV purchases (including HD purchases which are $10 more apiece) and could fill a stadium. A flat figure of $15 million is insulting and exactly why Oscar made the offer to Golovkin, knowing he wouldn't take such a ridiculous "deal".

Not to mention the MSRP of the PPV could be more than $60 base for the Standard Definition broadcast. I could see ~$65-$75.

You forgot all the expences for the undercard, promotion etc. If the fight does 1 mil, $15 mil is over 40% of the fighters take. That's guaranteed for Golovkin if he accepts. How the **** is that a bad offer? A fighter that has never even made $3.5 mil.

[Pugilisticuffs]

You forgot all the expences for the undercard, promotion etc. If the fight does 1 mil, $15 mil is over 40% of the fighters take. That's guaranteed for Golovkin if he accepts. How the **** is that a bad offer? A fighter that has never even made $3.5 mil.

When briefly breaking down the financials, I went with your dismal 1 million minimum PPV buy rate. In reality, it'll do more buys, previously projected at up to 1.5 or more. Also, I never accounted for other smaller sources of revenue, such as merchandise sales, rebroadcasting rights fees (some of which could go to them), and so on. That 30 million guaranteed revenue is just for the PPV @ 1 million buys & at $60 a pop. It'll do more than that many buys and the gate will be huge, raking in millions of dollars. The cost of even the cheapest tickets in the nosebleed section would be relatively pricey and the venue would be planned to accommodate as many fans in attendance as projected by K2 & GBP. The undercard & promotional costs would be minuscule given what they'd be grossing.

Ward, when he fought Kovalev, was GUARANTEED 5 million for a PPV that absolutely BOMBED. You think Kovalev-Ward has anything on Canelo-GGG?! Not even close. The PPV buy rate for Canelo-Golovkin would be at the very least 1 million buys conservatively, probably between 1.25-1.5 guaranteed. Why? Because the DEMAND is there and has been for quite a while. The fight's been built up enough and "marinated" already. You're a fool.

This old flat fee tactic was taken out of the Mayweather playbook when he offered $40 million flat guaranteed to Pac, as I said. Look at how much more Pac made by NOT taking that chump change.

"Fortunately for me, I'm just the head coach and I'm not the decision maker...it's Golovkin who makes the ultimate decision. But you have to understand; if this fight does 1.5 million PPV buys and it's priced at $70 or $75 per order, plus a huge site fee, what are they offering Golovkin? Virtually nothing?"

Gennady Golovkin vs Canelo Alvarez 8 figure offer: Just an old tactic?

1.5 million buys × $70 per PPV buy = $52.5 million gross after the PPV provider split. At $75 a pop that's even more at $56.25 million gross for PPV ALONE.

You're a comedian.

[Robbie Barrett]

When briefly breaking down the financials, I went with your dismal 1 million minimum PPV buy rate. In reality, it'll do more buys, previously projected at up to 1.5 or more. Also, I never accounted for other smaller sources of revenue, such as merchandise sales, rebroadcasting rights fees (some of which could go to them), and so on. That 30 million guaranteed revenue is just for the PPV @ 1 million buys & at $60 a pop. In reality, it'll do more than that many buys and the gate will be huge, raking in millions of dollars. The cost of even the cheapest tickets in the nosebleed section would be relatively pricey and the venue would be planned to accommodate as many fans in attendance as projected by K2 & GBP. The undercard & promotional costs would be minuscule given what they'd be grossing.

Ward, when he fought Kovalev, was GUARANTEED 5 million for a PPV that absolutely BOMBED. You think Kovalev-Ward has anything on Canelo-GGG?! Not even close. The PPV buy rate for Canelo-Golovkin would be at the very least 1 million buys conservatively, probably between 1.25-1.5 guaranteed. Why? Because the DEMAND is there and has been for quite a while. The fight's been built up enough and "marinated" already. You're a fool.

This old flat fee tactic was taken out of the Mayweather playbook when he offered $40 million flat guaranteed to Pac, as I said. Look at how much more Pac made by NOT taking that chump change.



Gennady Golovkin vs Canelo Alvarez 8 figure offer: Just an old tactic?

1.5 million buys × $70 per PPV buy = $52.5 million gross after the PPV provider split. At $75 a pop that's even more at $56.25 million gross for PPV ALONE.

You're a comedian.

1.5 mil? You're smoking crack it'll be lucky to break 1mil. If the fight does 800k Golovkin will end up making more than Canelo with $15 mil.

The guy isn't even 1/3 of a draw as Canelo is. His highest payday was around $3 mil where he was the B-side vs Brook. If we're being fair he doesn't deserve more than a 25% split. $15 mil is a great offer.

[Real King Kong]

You forgot all the expences for the undercard, promotion etc. If the fight does 1 mil, $15 mil is over 40% of the fighters take. That's guaranteed for Golovkin if he accepts. How the **** is that a bad offer? A fighter that has never even made $3.5 mil.

It's not as bad an offer as some fanboys make it out to be...but why is gbp so hell bent on a flat fee offer if it could end up being more than a split? It's just as easy to question why gbp is offering an unconventional flat fee as it is to question ggg for not taking it. So why do you only focus on the one aspect?

[Robbie Barrett]

It's not as bad an offer as some fanboys make it out to be...but why is gbp so hell bent on a flat fee offer if it could end up being more than a split? It's just as easy to question why gbp is offering an unconventional flat fee as it is to question ggg for not taking it. So why do you only focus on the one aspect?

It doesn't matter why. It's a great offer that's all that matters. A great offer that nobody in Golovkins position should turn down. He has no other options to make 10 mil+.

[Pugilisticuffs]

1.5 mil? You're smoking crack it'll be lucky to break 1mil. If the fight does 800k Golovkin will end up making more than Canelo with $15 mil.

The guy isn't even 1/3 of a draw as Canelo is. His highest payday was around $3 mil where he was the B-side vs Brook. If we're being fair he doesn't deserve more than a 25% split. $15 mil is a great offer.

I said between 1.25-1.5 million buys. It's guaranteed to do at least 1 million and that's according to every source I've read. I just gave you Fight Saga saying it could do 1.5. Not out of the realm of possibility. Now, add in the projected gate's gross on top of the PPV's. I'll wait.

BTW, that "good" and now "great", you say, $15 million flat fee guaranteed offer is taxable. But you already knew that. Come September, if they continue winning and actually do get this fight done then 1.25-1.5 million PPV buys is plausible you goof. Golovkin will be putting 4 world titles on the line (yes, I'm counting the IBO world title). Canelo will have The Ring mag belt and the larger fanbase. Golovkin would be giving him the opportunity to hold 3/4 major world titles in the division and to become a unified champ over night.

[Robbie Barrett]

I said between 1.25-1.5 million buys. It's guaranteed to do at least 1 million and that's according to every source I've read. I just gave you Fight Saga saying it could do 1.5. Not out of the realm of possibility. Now, add in the projected gate's gross on top of the PPV's. I'll wait.

BTW, that "good" and now "great", you say, $15 million flat fee guarantee is taxable. But you already knew that. Come September, if they continue winning and actually do get this fight done then 1.25-1.5 million PPV buys is plausible you goof.

You posted Abel Sanchez saying 1.5 mil.

Cotto (who's a way bigger draw than Golovkin)-Canelo did 900k but Canelo-Golovkin does 1.25+ mil?. Golovkin has no national fanbase to boost the numbers like Cotto (Puerto Rico) and Canelo (Mexico) have, which is why his PPV flopped.

What's Golovkin going to do if he turns down a great offer like $15 mil? He'll be back on regular HBO making $2 mil. That right there is a duck, who the **** turns down 15 to make 2?

Every purse is taxable.

Those titles won't make 1 bit of difference. Canelo is in a position where he doesn't need titles, his name is big enough to sell fights without them.

[Pugilisticuffs]

You posted Abel Sanchez saying 1.5 mil.

Cotto (who's a way bigger draw than Golovkin)-Canelo did 900k but Canelo-Golovkin does 1.25+ mil?. Golovkin has no national fanbase to boost the numbers like Cotto (Puerto Rico) and Canelo (Mexico) have, which is why his PPV flopped.

What's Golovkin going to do if he turns down a great offer like $15 mil? He'll be back on regular HBO making $2 mil. That right there is a duck, who the **** turns down 15 to make 2?

Every purse is taxable.

Those titles won't make 1 bit of difference. Canelo is in a position where he doesn't need titles, his name is big enough to sell fights without them.

You mentioned petty undercard expenses and I mentioned taxation. Deal with it. That $15 million guarantee before taxes is even less when you pay out your team, the cost of your camp, you pay your sparring partners appropriately, a minimum of 10% of that will go to your trainer (Abel Sanchez), so deduct $1.5 million and now you have less than $13.5 million before taxes. Your manager and the rest of your team will also need to get paid. It's up to them to secure you the money you're worth in the first place. The offer is crap given what's there to potentially be made in total.

Canelo needs world titles because currently he has none to his name. The Ring magazine belt isn't a world title, it's a promotional outfit's trinket that used to mean something.

[Robbie Barrett]

You mentioned petty undercard expenses and I mentioned taxation. Deal with it. That $15 million guarantee before taxes is even less when you pay out your team, the cost of your camp, you pay your sparring partners appropriately, a minimum of 10% of that will go to your train (Abel Sanchez), so deduct $1.5 million and now you have less than $13.5 million before taxes. Your manager and the rest of your team will also need to get paid. It's up to them to secure you the money you're worth in the first place.

Canelo needs world titles because currently he has none to his name. The Ring magazine isn't a world title, it's a promotional outfit's trinket that used to mean something.

He pays taxes and trainers fees with every purse. As the purse goes up the more you pay. What's that got to do with the offer?

$15 mil is more than he's worth. He makes between 2-3 mil usually, he's worth more than 5x his highest payday is he?

How does he need world titles? There's no world titles on the line for Canelo-Chavez but that fight will **** all over Golovkin-Jacobs in sales.

Your excuses are getting VERY weak now.

GOLOVKIN GOING TO DUCK. When he does, there's going to be a lot more people calling him out on it than there is now.