Can we all agree David Haye would completely ANNIHILATE Wilder?

[Dean_Razorback]

that's a fight i would cheer for wilder actually

[Caught Square]

Not saying Wilder beats Haye for sure but lets get a few things clear....

Firstly whatever you think of Wilder's technique he's clearly better than anyone Haye has beat at heavyweight. The funny thing is Haye is also quite sloppy when he throws combinations but because he isn't as lanky and top heavy it doesn't look as bad

Sparring is sparring so it don't decide who wins under the bright lights but even so Haye openly admitted the little clip was made to show his best work and Wilder had his moments.

Wilder proved he could fight tall against Stiverne who is obviously not gifted athletically like Haye but Haye tends to load up on his straight right against a tall target without much else in his game. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Wilder beat him.

[Kilrain]

Haye arguably lost to Valuev, he isn't some world beater by any means, just another one of Klitschko's opponents that gets overrated.

You must be joking, Valuev barely landed a punch in 12 rounds, Haye controlled the tempo and was in complete control. Rocked Valuev in the last round too, which is some going given the 100lbs weight difference. That's like a flyweight rocking a cruiserweight.

[KillaCamNZ]

No one can be sure of what David Haye will bring - he hasn't had a meaningful fight in nearly 5 years.

Once he fights Bellew, he will have successfully completed the gauntlet of a cab driver, a scrabble board, and a balloon.

Haye and Wilder both suffer from the same issue - lack of quality opponents. They're wildcards until they fight quality.

[Kilrain]

Yes, you're right pal, I see your point....because David Haye and Eric Molina employ the same skill sets. I mean they're basically the same fighter except Haye's much better at it right? Eric is trying to fight like David he just isn't good enough....I get you....man that's some insight.

I didn't question Haye's power or talents I questioned his formula. He lacks the skill set required to do anything to Wlad, Wilder, or Tyson.

I really don't see what Eric Molina has to do with anything.

Don't be obtuse, he clearly wasn't claiming Molina and Haye were similar fighters, merely that if a bum like Molina can trouble Wilder, Haye – with his speed, timing and explosiveness – could conceivably do the same.

'Lacks the skill set required to do anything to Wlad, Wilder or Tyson'. Wilder is extremely limited, not particularly nuanced, gets hit easily, throws reckless punches, has been rocked against lesser opponents... Haye clearly has the firepower, speed and experience to give him problems. Seems like you're writing Haye off purely because he lost to Wlad. We all know he underperformed vs Wlad but Wilder is not Wlad, nowhere close. And let's not forget, Haye won a few rounds from Wlad, maybe 3 rounds. Rocked him with a right hand in round 3, had Wlad holding on in the last round as well...

[Kilrain]

I'm saying footwork and positioning play a role before punches do.

Wilder defends by moving which is all Wlad had to do against Haye. Wlad didn't even use upper body movement or many angles. He stayed right on the track because Haye's footwork wasn't good enough to get close enough to Wlad to make him switch tracks let alone hit him.



Let coach Berry explain

Wlad won because Haye couldn't find a way past the jab, Wlad tied him up whenever he got close and used his forearms to fend off incoming punches. Wilder is not adept in any of these areas, let's be honest.

[gmc_rfc_06]

Wilder gets hit and outboxed by average (and below) opposition.

It all depends on what Haye has left; if he's anything close to what he was, he demolishes Wilder. Haye is far more skilled, faster, technically on another level...

[Sparked_26]

Wilder looks so awkward and at times extremely basic and Haye is so fluid at his best.

But Valuev was a much worse boxer than Wilder and Haye had trouble negotiating the reach disadvantage.

You'd think Haye would be able to absolutely light that guy up. Never happened. Actually basically nothing happened in the fight until the 12th.

Haye is best decimating fighters around his size. Wilder isn't.

[Marchegiano]

Wlad won because Haye couldn't find a way past the jab, Wlad tied him up whenever he got close and used his forearms to fend off incoming punches. Wilder is not adept in any of these areas, let's be honest.

I see how what you said detracts from my point.

[Marchegiano]

Don't be obtuse, he clearly wasn't claiming Molina and Haye were similar fighters, merely that if a bum like Molina can trouble Wilder, Haye – with his speed, timing and explosiveness – could conceivably do the same.

'Lacks the skill set required to do anything to Wlad, Wilder or Tyson'. Wilder is extremely limited, not particularly nuanced, gets hit easily, throws reckless punches, has been rocked against lesser opponents... Haye clearly has the firepower, speed and experience to give him problems. Seems like you're writing Haye off purely because he lost to Wlad. We all know he underperformed vs Wlad but Wilder is not Wlad, nowhere close. And let's not forget, Haye won a few rounds from Wlad, maybe 3 rounds. Rocked him with a right hand in round 3, had Wlad holding on in the last round as well...

Wilder can be extremely limited and still be very good at what it takes to beat Haye. It's not like Wlad pulled out all the stops for that fight. It's not like I'm even referencing most of what Wlad did. I'm saying all you need to beat Haye is to be large and have a good handle on Big Man Formula's placement and footwork.

Nothing you've said even addresses that let alone argues against it. All you've done is explain to Haye can hit Wilder because Haye's more talented than men who have hit Wilder....semantics at it's finest

Let's be clear, anyone can hit anyone else but we mean meaningful shots. Haye didn't do **** to Wlad, he didn't even get Wlad out of first gear because the basic Wlad package is all he needed to beat Haye.

I'm not saying look at Wlad, he beat Haye, that means Wilder can. That's ****ing dumb. I'm saying look at how minimal an effort it took Wlad to beat Haye. Clearly Haye has no answer for Big Man Formula footwork or placement. His speed, his timing, his explosive power, his experience don't make him able to close the gap with anything hinting to effectiveness.