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  • #21
    The criteria that I use to determine a pound for pound list is to analyze who has been the most dominant in their weight class. I certainly don't consider Canelo a sure thing for a top 10 pound for pound.

    Mayweather made him look silly. He struggled with Cotto. He blatantly ducked his mandatory, vacated his title and moved DOWN in weight. He got bullied out of his division. Then went after the WBOgus title in a lower weight class. Canelo hasn't been dominating anything. He's obviously a great fighter. But one of the absolute best, pound for pound? Probably not.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by -Kev- View Post
      But adds LSC and Mikey Garcia? Inoue's best win is Narvaez.

      Canelo has a better resume than all 3 combined.

      Miguel Vazquez 2x when they were both young pros

      Ryan Rhodes - At the ranked #4 by The Ring at JMW

      Austin Trout - 154 boogieman at the time, WBA champ.

      Alfredo Angulo - Tough guy but was put there to get KO'ed. Still a good name.

      Erislandy Lara - Another 154 boogieman who fans accused Canelo of being scared of.

      James Kirkland - Same as Angulo, just slightly better though.

      Miguel Cotto - Canelo's best win, future HOF'er.

      Is the TBRB playing games here? What are they accomplishing by leaving out a top star who obviously has a good resume, but adding in fighters with lesser resumes? Are their top 10 P4P lists going to omit resumes and just go with who's KO'ing their bum of the month in the best fashion? How did Zlaticanan and Frampton entered Mikey and LSC into the P4P ranks but Cotto, who's better than both, doesn't get Canelo into the P4P ranks? And how much better is Zlaticanan than Liam Smith?

      http://www.tbrb.org/p4p/
      Lol rhodes is a bum and so is vasquez. Trout has been getting knocked down by journeyman. It was decent at the time. And kirkland? Are you serious? Ishida stopped an undefeated prime kirkland in 2 rds.Ishida is one of ggg's worst wins.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by satiev1 View Post
        Lol rhodes is a bum and so is vasquez. Trout has been getting knocked down by journeyman. It was decent at the time. And kirkland? Are you serious? Ishida stopped an undefeated prime kirkland in 2 rds.Ishida is one of ggg's worst wins.
        Surprise you left the worst one in angulo.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by !WAR MIKEY! View Post
          lmfao,,, over under Kodak beats that **** case?
          Lol nah it was over 'No Flockin' -- Man now that you mention it I remember he just did a rap video with that thirteen year old bird "Cash Me Outside"...damn I dont even know how old tha boy is tho, sure is ******.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC-gGboSHSw
          starts at 5.57

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          • #25
            Zlaticanin wasn't **** y'all buggin. Mikey Garcia was p4p imo before the time off but I wouldn't put him back in yet.

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            • #26
              Canelo is very good. I'll admit that I don't like the way he has managed himself over the last couple of years, but that doesn't stop him from being good.

              The problem for him is that there is some serious talent in the p4p list. Canelo can't match up to the sheer technical skill of guys like Gonzales, Ward, Loma. He can't say "I'm talented, so rank me." because he isn't talented enough to sit beside those kind of guys.

              The only way for him to earn his place in the top 10 is through activity. Lately? He just has not been doing enough to justify a place. The quality of his activity is not good enough, and he can't assume a position based on technical genius.

              If he stops messing around and decides to actually live up to his potential, then he could be inside the top ten for years to come. Right now though, there are some seriously good fighters that he is being measured against, and he isn't doing enough crack that group.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by BrometheusBob. View Post
                Zlaticanin wasn't **** y'all buggin. Mikey Garcia was p4p imo before the time off but I wouldn't put him back in yet.
                It baffles me how easy it is for smaller weight fighters to get a KO over a semi decent opponent and panelists jump all over their ****s. I had no idea what people saw in Zlaticanin that was so dangerous for Mikey, I knew the TKO was going to happen but apparently people thought highly of Z, I didn't see it though. In fact I don't think highly of 135 at all. Mikey should be able to easily feast on those guys, collect all the titles, and become P4P #1 if that's the case (if they're going to enter dudes no matter how easy their opp is).

                Outisde of Ward and Pacquiao, Canelo has had a tougher resume than every guy in that list.

                This is just a case of writers going against the obvious. It is obvious that Canelo is one of the top 10 best fighters P4P meaning if everyone was the same size, how can you not see Canelo has the skills to compete or beat any of the other top 9 best fighters of the world? And then he has the resume to show that he's testing his skills against other very good fighters.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Sadiqkingofko View Post
                  he became Lineal at 154 after beating Trout

                  he became Lineal at 160 after beating Cotto
                  No, he didn't.

                  The lineal title established when Mayweather (#1) beat Canelo (#2), at junior middleweight.

                  He became RING champ when beating Trout, but its not the same thing

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                  • #29
                    It's hard to have GGG, Loma and Inoue above him IMO given the volume and quality of Canelo's resume. I like LSC alot and he probably should be behind Canelo as well given Canelo's loss is "better" than LSC's.

                    I think TBRB is punishing Canelo for his unwillingness to fight GGG and the way he dropped back to 154.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by techliam View Post
                      No, he didn't.

                      The lineal title established when Mayweather (#1) beat Canelo (#2), at junior middleweight.

                      He became RING champ when beating Trout, but its not the same thing
                      oh okay my bad, so he's two weight division ring champion

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