The Definition of a "Robbery"

[daggum]

This statement contradicts the next.



Do you understand why Bradley even got close to beating Manny, much less beating him? It's quite simple, and anyone who really watched it saw the same.

In 7 of the rounds Manny basically didn't show up until like the last minute of the round. The first two, he was coasting and largely inactive. Tentative. It's the same thing that cost him the fight against TBE.

This is a guy who literally swarmed Miguel Cotto. Who danced around Margacheato. Where was that guy?

That fight wasn't a robbery. It was a joke - because Manny didn't show up.


Now, let's see some REAL robbery examples.

Soto/Lorenzo 1
Lewis/Holyfield 1
Broner/Malignaggi
Lara/Williams
Garcia/Hererra

Hopkins/Calzaghe (arguably)

Only the last one is debatable. The rest are CLEAR examples of robberies. Especially Lara/Williams. There's simply no other answer on that one.

manny didn't show up until the last minute where he bludgeoned bradley who had done nothing the first 2 minutes...round to bradley? Why?

[The D3vil]

Do people consider Oscar vs Tito to be a robbery? Borderline probably.

I do. I remember watching that, rooting for Tito Trinidad (because I hated Oscar) and STILL thinking that Oscar won like 9 rounds

This statement contradicts the next.



Do you understand why Bradley even got close to beating Manny, much less beating him? It's quite simple, and anyone who really watched it saw the same.

In 7 of the rounds Manny basically didn't show up until like the last minute of the round. The first two, he was coasting and largely inactive. Tentative. It's the same thing that cost him the fight against TBE.

This is a guy who literally swarmed Miguel Cotto. Who danced around Margacheato. Where was that guy?

That fight wasn't a robbery. It was a joke - because Manny didn't show up.


Now, let's see some REAL robbery examples.

Soto/Lorenzo 1
Lewis/Holyfield 1
Broner/Malignaggi
Lara/Williams
Garcia/Hererra

Hopkins/Calzaghe (arguably)

Only the last one is debatable. The rest are CLEAR examples of robberies. Especially Lara/Williams. There's simply no other answer on that one.

It wasn't a contradiction, maybe you misunderstood what I was saying, or I worded it wrong.

What I was saying is that, unless a guy basically dominates a 10 or 12 round fight winning the overwhelming majority of rounds, which would be 7 rounds (in a 10 round fight) or 8 rounds (in a 12 round fight), then it's not a robbery.

I didn't mean that you had to literally win 10 or 12 rounds in order for it to be a definitive robbery

[Combat Talk Radio]

were you not around to witness the reverberations the pac timmy dec caused ?!?!?!? google ''boxings biggest robberies'' or ''boxings worst decisions''.

there are some who, conveniently say, compubox is a joke. take the info as you please....

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-bradley-w-12-pacquaio/

pac vs timmy was indeed an epic robbery.

manny didn't show up until the last minute where he bludgeoned bradley who had done nothing the first 2 minutes...round to bradley? Why?

Pacquiao/Bradley 1 did not result in judges being suspended. Why? Because they scored as they saw it and they weren't wide, ridiculous scores. They were close - as was the fight if you actually watched it.

http://www.foxsports.com/boxing/story/manny-pacquiao-timothy-bradley-judges-speak-out-on-controversial-split-decision-loss-061012

[Duane] Ford said a lot more.

“This isn’t ‘American Idol.’ If I judge for the people, I shouldn’t be a judge. I went in with a clear mind and judged each round,” he told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “I don’t look at the punch stats, but I saw Manny miss a lot of punches and Bradley hit Manny and win a lot of the exchanges.”

It’s not the first time the 74-year-old Ford, a former chairman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, has felt heat for a decision. Ford heard boos when he gave Pacquiao — yeah, there’s some irony there — a win in 2008 despite other cards that scored Juan Manuel Marquez as the better boxer.

http://www.foxsports.com/boxing/story/wbo-to-review-manny-pacquiao-timothy-bradley-title-bout-061312

The Nevada State Athletic Commission’s executive director, Keith Kizer, said this week that he has no plans to review the fight, even though he acknowledged having Pacquiao ahead.

Commission chairman Skip Avansino told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that he was content with the scoring, while Ford defended his scorecard in an interview with the newspaper.

”I thought Bradley gave Pacquiao a boxing lesson,” [Duane] Ford said. ”I thought a lot of the rounds were close. Pacquiao missed a lot of punches and I thought he was throwing wildly.”

The man was damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

[-PBP-]

A robbery is when the guy daggum wants to win, takes an L

[SensFullViolenc]

I have 3 ways of viewing when a decision doesn't match my scorecard

In some cases, a fight is so close, that it could easily go either way. In these fights, I just accept the official result. For example, I had JMM edging Pac in II and III (BTW I had Pac winning I). I just accept the official result.

If I think a result is clear, than I consider it a bad decision, and do not accept the result in my head. I would say Kovalev - Ward to be a bad decision -- almost a robbery. I mean conceivably, if you gave all the close rounds to Ward, you could get to 114-113 Ward, but I just cant accept it.

A robbery to me is when there is just no way the decision is possible. Pac - Bradley I was a robbery. I thought Oscar - Tito was a robbery too, even I despise Oscar and was a big Tito fan.

[Elroy The Great]

Pacquiao/Bradley 1 did not result in judges being suspended. Why? Because they scored as they saw it and they weren't wide, ridiculous scores. They were close - as was the fight if you actually watched it.

http://www.foxsports.com/boxing/story/manny-pacquiao-timothy-bradley-judges-speak-out-on-controversial-split-decision-loss-061012

http://www.foxsports.com/boxing/story/wbo-to-review-manny-pacquiao-timothy-bradley-title-bout-061312

The man was damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

how many boxing decisions do you think there are in a month....a year.....

how many make them to these lists (the list you were TO AFRAID TO GOOGLE !!!!!!!)~

es news reporting .com - #10

http://sabotagetimes.com/sport/the-5-biggest-robberies-in-boxing-history

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2013025-ranking-the-10-worst-judging-decisions-in-boxing-in-the-past-decade

http://hubpages.com/sports/Boxings-W...ns-of-All-Time
total pro sport .com #3
http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv...boxing-history

i can keep supplying links but you get the message. youd really have to go out of your way to find a list that doesnt have this robbery on it.

if you want specifics, google pac timmy 1....

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...split-decision

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Timothy_Bradley

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/jun/10/timothy-bradley-manny-pacquiao-split-decision

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1215834-pacquiao-vs-bradley-scorecard-controversy-hints-at-deeper-problems-in-boxing

http://grantland.com/features/a-ringside-account-controversial-fight-manny-pacquiao-timothy-bradley-jr/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...-decision.html

are you trolling me or are you timmy ?

[Combat Talk Radio]

A robbery is when the guy daggum wants to win, takes an L

Basically, yes. And not just him either.

are you trolling me or are you timmy ?

Bottom line:

ALL THREE judges were suspended after Lara/Williams.

NO judges were suspended after Pacquiao Bradley 1.

There's only one explanation. One was a robbery; the other was not.

Period point blank.

Look, I'm sorry Duane Ford told it like it was - that your guy Manny was missing punches - but them's the breaks. That's why he lost to TBE. Same outcome

[Elroy The Great]

Basically, yes. And not just him either.



Bottom line:

ALL THREE judges were suspended after Lara/Williams.

NO judges were suspended after Pacquiao Bradley 1.

There's only one explanation. One was a robbery; the other was not.

Period point blank.

Look, I'm sorry Duane Ford told it like it was - that your guy Manny was missing punches - but them's the breaks. That's why he lost to TBE. Same outcome

of all the robberies, how many judges ARE suspended ?!?!?!?!?

cmon, timmy.......step it up

[Combat Talk Radio]

of all the robberies, how many judges ARE suspended ?!?!?!?!?

cmon, timmy.......step it up

At least one judge has been punished and/or ended up in front of a committee in every TRUE robbery I can recollect.

None of the judges got even a second look after Pac Bradley 1.

Why?

Because said fight was not a robbery. It was a close fight - closer than people think. Even Bleacher Report scored it the same damn way.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ords-scorecard

[A.K]

Robbery is any high stakes fight that isn't scored properly, if the wrong guy won or drew that's wrong robbery either way.