Comments Thread For: 30-Day Weights: Gennady Golovkin 165.1, Daniel Jacobs 174.8

[richardt]

Canelo's last fight took place at 154. What the fu.ck are you going on about? He's moving up 10.5 pounds to fight a significantly larger fighter. You know...Canelo's taking a challenge!

Kind of like when GGG drug an average WW (Kell Brook) up 13 pounds and conceded...oh wait, nevermind. GGG made no concessions he just drug a much smaller fighter up 13 pounds.

What a stud this GGG is.

Canelo takes the cake! He is the only Middleweight champ in history to demand that middleweights not be allowed to fight at 160 and then he signs to fight a guy at 165. Canelo who claimed to not be a middleweight as recent as his last fight is now fighting a fighter allowed to come in higher than he would allow GGG to come in by 10 pounds! There is your king of the Prima Donna's right there. GGG is no saint but he will not make boxing history for one of the greatest ducks ever like Canelo.

[All in]

Why would Floyd have fought him at 154? He didn't have a 154 belt. Not sure he would've even made 154. He hadn't made 154 in years. He's not a big enough draw. Do you agree with those reasons? Those are the same reasons K2 used to not fight Ward. They're 10x's more true when it comes to Floyd fighting GGG at 154

Was it more reasonable to suggest GGG fight Ward at 168 than for Floyd to fight GGG at 160 or even 154?

It's more reasonable for ggg to fight ward at 168 than Floyd to fight ggg at 160. But Floyd vs ggg at 154 is a reasonable fight.

[casheddie]

GGG straight professional. The discipline the soviet guys got is other worldly. I mean it's possible Klit is doing roids but his body still would require work.

GGG gonna school Jacobs for eating those twinkies and cheeseburgers.

[Motorcity Cobra]

It's more reasonable for ggg to fight ward at 168 than Floyd to fight ggg at 160. But Floyd vs ggg at 154 is a reasonable fight.

Floyd was a small welterweight who only moved up for big fights. Canelo, De La Hoya, & Cotto. GGG wasn't a big draw. He never fought at 154 as a professional. It's been over a decade since he'd made that weight. I keep making those points because those were acceptable points for GGG to not fight Ward. But when you're comparing Floyd & GGG those points are even more acceptable. It's never been proven that GGG could even make 154. Kell wanted 157 and they said no. After years of saying 154-168 when they got the Canelo mandatory they wouldn't budge off of 160. I know it's a mandatory but the immediate hard line they took was weird. As a negotiating tactic that wasn't smart. But they were well within their rights to demand 160. I just didn't think it was wise to start negotiations with such a hard line. But my point is 154 was never realistic because GGG could never make 154. We have nothing but a marketing ploy by his team to suggest he could make that weight. That's why I think the fight is unreasonable

[Bjl12]

Canelo takes the cake! He is the only Middleweight champ in history to demand that middleweights not be allowed to fight at 160 and then he signs to fight a guy at 165. Canelo who claimed to not be a middleweight as recent as his last fight is now fighting a fighter allowed to come in higher than he would allow GGG to come in by 10 pounds! There is your king of the Prima Donna's right there. GGG is no saint but he will not make boxing history for one of the greatest ducks ever like Canelo.

GGG is the man who concedes no pounds to WW fighters but demands they move up 13 pounds.

GGG is the man who ducked Canelo because "$15 million isn't enough money even for a fight at 160".

GGG and his fans (you) think talking **** through the media is the same as signing contracts or offering actual deals. That is why they bashed Jacobs.....for doing the EXACT SAME THING GGG IS DOING TO CANELO.

I hope Jacobs wins so you and your deplorables just go away

[SteveM]

Double standards. The same people complaining about GGG being asked to move up to 168 or 175 are the same people who said that Mayweather had to move up from welterweight to middleweight to fight Golovkin his highest fight night weight being 150lbs and his 30 day weigh ins being that exact same figure.

stop makin shit up - I don't recall even one person on these boards saying Mayweather should move to 160. if there was anybody they were in the absolute minority and rightly laughed at. What happened was that K2 said they would move down to 154 for Floyd. GGG said it would be his dream fight ( suppose for the challenge AND the money) - but Floyd never showed any interest and everyone moved on - except for turkeys like you.

[SteveM]

He can if the money is right. You will recall that he challenged Mayweather to fight at 154 ---for big bucks no doubt. Interestingly, he said he would not fight Canelo at a catchweight less than 160.

I don't recall he challenged him. He said (probably responding to some idiot journalist's question who was looking for a click-bait article) that it would be his dream fight and he'd go to 154 for that.

[siablo14]

Because he stays on top of his weight like a maniac.

Bernard Hopkins kept his weight off and fought at 160 for damn near forever; the moment he was done with 160lbs, he took off 6 months, went up 15lbs, and won a light heavyweight trinket. If B-Hop wasn't on top of his business, staying at middleweight wouldn't have happened.

Golovkin basically being in camp year round keeps the weight off, for the most part; 30 days basically amounts to the final 4 weeks of a camp.

Daniel Jacobs had his winter camp, has been in the Bay Area for this camp for a while now, and basically has 30 days to sweat off a stone or so of water weight (which largely gets put right back onto the body come fight night), normal for the division, tbh.

Tarver was the undisputed light heavyweight champion at the time. Hopkins didn't win a trinket. He beat "the man" of the light heavyweight division at that time. Don't belittle that accomplishment even though Tarver was coming down in weight for the fight.

[All in]

Floyd was a small welterweight who only moved up for big fights. Canelo, De La Hoya, & Cotto. GGG wasn't a big draw. He never fought at 154 as a professional. It's been over a decade since he'd made that weight. I keep making those points because those were acceptable points for GGG to not fight Ward. But when you're comparing Floyd & GGG those points are even more acceptable. It's never been proven that GGG could even make 154. Kell wanted 157 and they said no. After years of saying 154-168 when they got the Canelo mandatory they wouldn't budge off of 160. I know it's a mandatory but the immediate hard line they took was weird. As a negotiating tactic that wasn't smart. But they were well within their rights to demand 160. I just didn't think it was wise to start negotiations with such a hard line. But my point is 154 was never realistic because GGG could never make 154. We have nothing but a marketing ploy by his team to suggest he could make that weight. That's why I think the fight is unreasonable

Valid points. I believe ward vs ggg at 170-72 can still happen. You can't blame him on waiting canelo out. After chavez at 164 there's no more excuses.

[Shadoww702]

It's disgraceful for guys to be WW and fight a MW. Never happens.

1920s: Mickey Walker vs. Harry Greb
(Walker was the reigning welterweight champ; Greb, who won a 15-round decision, was the defending middleweight champ)

1930s: Henry Armstrong vs. Ceferino Garcia
(Armstrong was the reigning welterweight champ; Garcia was recognized as the middleweight champ by the powerful New York and California boxing commissions. They fought to a 10-round draw)

1940s: Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Jake LaMotta I, II, III, IV and V
(Robinson, who went 4-1 vs. his crosstown rival in four hotly contested 10-rounders and one 12-rounder, was a top welterweight prospect and contender; LaMotta was a top middleweight prospect and contender)

1950s: Kid Gavilan vs. Carl “Bobo” Olson
(Gavilan was the reigning welterweight champ; Olson, who won a 15-round decision, was the defending middleweight champ)
Carmen Basilio vs. Robinson

(Basilio, the reigning welterweight champ, won a 15-round decision over Robinson, the defending middleweight champ. It was THE RING’s Fight of the Year for 1957)

1960s: Emile Griffith vs. **** Tiger
(Griffith, the reigning welterweight champ, won a 10-round decision over Tiger, the defending middleweight champ)

Luis Rodriguez vs. Nino Benvenuti
(Rodriguez, a former welterweight champ, was knocked out in Round 11 by Benvenuti, the defending middleweight champ. Rodriguez was thought to be winning the fight at the time of stoppage)

1970s: Jose Napoles vs. Carlos Monzon
(Napoles, the reigning welterweight champ, was stopped in Round 7 but Monzon, the defending middleweight champ)

1980s: Roberto Duran vs. Marvin Hagler and Iran Barkley
Photo / The Ring Magazine

(Duran, a former WBC welterweight champ and reigning WBC 154-pound titleholder, dropped a 15-round decision to Hagler, the defending undisputed middleweight champ and won a 12-round decision over Barkley, the defending WBC middleweight titleholder. Duran-Barkley was THE RING’s Fight of the Year for 1989. Duran was also the former lightweight champ, which is why Hands of Stone is a true all-time great)

Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Hagler
(Leonard, a former welterweight champ and WBA 154-pound titleholder, won a 12-round decision over Hagler, the defending WBC titleholder. It was THE RING’s Fight of the Year for 1987)

1990s: Marlon Starling vs. Michael Nunn
(Starling, the reigning WBC welterweight titleholder, dropped a 12-round decision to Nunn, the defending IBF middleweight titleholder)

Donald Curry vs. Nunn
(Curry, the former welterweight champ and WBC 154-pound beltholder, was stopped in Round 10 by Nunn, the defending IBF middleweight titleholder)

Simon Brown vs. Lonnie Bradley and Bernard Hopkins
(Brown, the former IBF and WBC welterweight titleholder who briefly held the WBC 154-pound belt, dropped a 12-round decision to Bradley, the defending WBO middleweight beltholder, and was stopped in Round 6 by Hopkins, the reigning IBF middleweight titleholder)

2000s: Felix Trinidad vs. William Joppy
(Trinidad, the former IBF and WBC welterweight beltholder and reigning WBA/IBF 154-pound titleholder, stopped Joppy, the defending WBA middleweight titleholder, in Round 5)
Cory Spinks vs. Jermain Taylor

(Spinks, the former IBF/WBA/WBC/RING welterweight champ and reigning IBF 154-pound beltholder, dropped a 12-round decision to Taylor, the defending WBC/WBO/RING middleweight champ)
[Former welterweight titleholders Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya also challenged Hopkins, but they did so as fellow middleweight beltholders, so I’m going to leave those matches off this list.]
2010s: Amir Khan vs. Canelo Alvarez

(Khan, a welterweight contender, was stopped in Round 6 by Alvarez, the defending RING and WBC champ)
Kell Brook vs. Gennady Golovkin

(Brook is the reigning IBF welterweight beltholder; Golovkin is the defending WBA/IBF/WBC middleweight titleholder)

Umm wasn't Trinidad a Super WW when they fought??? I'm sure I could find many more holes in your BS story but why bother??? You'll just put 10 more up.