Comments Thread For: Nelson: Mayweather is Not Given The Credit He Deserves

[Pigeons]

Mayweather is top 15-20 but he will rise to top 3 after whooping McGregor's ass.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

At this point Floyd shouldn't even care about his place in history. He's kids should be financially stable and he is healthy. Who cares what the weirdos who never won a fight a day in their life says? We have too many nerds in boxing whos opinions should not even matter. Nerds like Doug Fischer, Dan Rafael, Steve Kim influence the rest of these weirdos to hate on boxers. With that being said I have him @ #9 all time. It's all based on opinion anyway

[theface07]

For him to go undefeated in this day and age is quite an accomplishment.

Are you kidding? This day and age? As great a boxer as Mayweather was, which is undeniable, it was much easier for him to pick and choose who he wanted to fight and when he wanted to fight them than many of the earlier all time greats. You think Archie Moore and Jack Johnson could pick and choose who they fought and when they fought them? Even Ali, who had more control over his own career than perhaps any boxer up until that point, fought anybody and everybody who the boxing fraternity thought had a chance of beating him.
If Mayweather had been around 30-40 years ago, the moment he won a world title he would've been pressured to fight the best competition in their prime.
By being self-promoted and having total control over the arc of his career once he left Top Rank, Mayweather was able to make calculated moves to ensure his undefeated record stayed intact. It can also be argued that Mayweather was able to control many of the parameters of his fights by choosing refs, judges, gloves and weight limits.

[SUBZER0ED]

"Tickets for the show, priced between £40 and £300, are available from www.kkongevents.co.uk"
So wait, this "show", which is meant to give Mayweather publicity for his upcoming PPV carnival act against McGregor, cost money too?? No shame in your game, homey!

[daggum]

another bootlicker who will take money to hype floyd up. what a cuck.

[FeFist]

I think Mayweather's skills is something people can't truly appreciate without stepping in the ring.

Too much talk of "He runs" is proof of that. People don't understand the difficulty involved and forethought required to dodge a punch by a whisker and move exactly where you want to be.

[hugh grant]

Floyds beat many champions. But rarely fights the toughest fight available.
The fact he fought berto when he could have fought, ggg thurman, Brook or Garcia is indicative of his career.
Guys he's not underestimated. Top twenty all time

[HarvardBlue]

Are you kidding? This day and age? As great a boxer as Mayweather was, which is undeniable, it was much easier for him to pick and choose who he wanted to fight and when he wanted to fight them than many of the earlier all time greats. You think Archie Moore and Jack Johnson could pick and choose who they fought and when they fought them? Even Ali, who had more control over his own career than perhaps any boxer up until that point, fought anybody and everybody who the boxing fraternity thought had a chance of beating him.
If Mayweather had been around 30-40 years ago, the moment he won a world title he would've been pressured to fight the best competition in their prime.
By being self-promoted and having total control over the arc of his career once he left Top Rank, Mayweather was able to make calculated moves to ensure his undefeated record stayed intact. It can also be argued that Mayweather was able to control many of the parameters of his fights by choosing refs, judges, gloves and weight limits.

On the other hand, boxers back in the days were padding their records with bartenders and dishwashers. Boxers today have more access to better nutrition, training facilities, and state of the art equipment. Boxers today are have equal resources as far as training and preparation. I never bought this picking and choosing crap. Yes Mayweather was independent so he was able to make the fights he wanted but let's face it every boxer pick and chose who they want to fight. They might do it for different reasons but let me know when was the last time you saw a boxer enter the ring with a gun to their head.

[djtmal]

c'mon dude, he gets full credit for s**t that warrants it and the only ones thats going to give him style points for beating a list of champions who's names don't show up on any atg great lists, is the ones always crowing the loudest...

hernandez, corrales, Castillo...when he was pretty boy, its not too many fights that you could s**t on, but the cherrypicked fights after Hatton, only his fanboys are going to give him full credit for that...

it is what it is and at the end of the day, you know damn well, Floyd Mayweather, knows boxing in and out, and knows himself, in shaping his post prime career, gives something up in chasing the dollar, and that is boxing legacy...that's why you always see him talking about how much money he generated in the sport, but that doesn't automatically make you the greatest boxer...

you don't see guys like sugar ray, running around always talking about how much $ they generated, or how high they are on a atg list, because they let their resume and who they beat speak for itself...

[Butch.McRae]

Are you kidding? This day and age? As great a boxer as Mayweather was, which is undeniable, it was much easier for him to pick and choose who he wanted to fight and when he wanted to fight them than many of the earlier all time greats. You think Archie Moore and Jack Johnson could pick and choose who they fought and when they fought them? Even Ali, who had more control over his own career than perhaps any boxer up until that point, fought anybody and everybody who the boxing fraternity thought had a chance of beating him.

It can also be argued that Mayweather was able to control many of the parameters of his fights by choosing refs, judges, gloves and weight limits.

These are the same critiques old heads throw out, when arguing the legitimacy of Ali and Leonard all the time. I was lucky enough to grow up in Detroit around boxing guys (in there 60s and mostly 70s now) who have faint memories of growing up near Sugar Ray Robinson and seeing the likes of Ali and Leonard. Several actually had experience coming up in Kronk boxing gym with the likes of Hearns and Bernard Mays (who most say was the best prospect Michigan ever had before drugs; Even Steward).

I've had dozens of talks with these guys. All of them agree that Mayweather belongs at the top of the mountain with the likes of Ali, Duran, and Leonard (about half argue Mayweather was better than Leonard). They all agree that his ability and dedication to the sport is what allowed him to transcend his peers and defines his greatness.

So many people in this forum have no sense of history. The narrative around fighters change over time. The criticism that Floyd gets is almost identical to the backlash against Leonard in his day. "Runner, cherry picker, only cares about money (Leonard talked about money a lot), picks the gloves, picks the ring size, etc." Ya'll need to learn some history. Documentaries and reading goes a long way if you don't have primary sources.