Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia: I Really Believe Canelo Could Beat Golovkin

[hugh grant]

By the time nelo can beat GGG, many others !likely will be able to as well.
When he's 40 years old.
Fight eubank will ya already nelo

[aboutfkntime]

I think you have to give a guy some credit when he manages to get 3 of the 4 main belts in a division. Although he hasn't fought many top middleweights yet, he is at least about to take on a top ranked middleweight in Jacobs. I think it will be almost impossible for him to make big fights and hold onto all of his belts because of the number and frequency of mandatories that he will have even if he were to win. If he sticks to chasing Canelo it will either mean he'll have to drop a belt or else fight less than exciting mandatory opponents until the fight gets made.....

some good points there

regarding the bold..... I am just 1 guy, and not even a fan, so my opinion doesn't matter..... but I do give Golovkin credit, he is a terrific fighter.....

..... my issue is more with Golovkin fans, and with the hype/bullshht surrounding him..... like this..... "Golovkin has fought the best MW's that today's boxing has to offer".....

..... as you know, I named a bunch of better MW's..... and even you admitted that is not true..... "he hasn't fought many top middleweights yet"

also..... "the best MW's that today's boxing has to offer", will not trouble boxing historians, so he kinda missed the point

Golovkin is definitely a manufactured fighter, just like Pacquiao was for the last half of his career..... difference being, Pac was about as real as you can get during the first half.

but like you said..... Jacobs is next, and he is a very good start

..... Although I don't really rate Eubank or Saunders, one fight I would like to see is Golovkin vs Lara, however it is a little hard to take Lara's seriously when he is matched up with guys like Foreman, who unlike Wade was not a mandatory. I also wonder why Lara vs Jacobs was never made or discussed before either guy tried to fight Golovkin.

you lost me a little bit there.....

Lara fighting Foreman does not make it hard to take him seriously at all, and nobody believes that..... which is why you admitted that you would still like to see that fight

stop making excuses

and the point about Wade is this..... that was a shht fight, and he was a shht opponent..... no matter how you spin it, and no matter who Lara fights next..... I understand the IBF issue, but if Golovkin wants to fight Dominic Wade for whatever reason, then fine...... just don't expect ANY credit from me for that, especially not when he follows up with a welter

YES, Lara could fight a middleweight opponent first..... but that did not stop Golovkin from selecting Rosado, or from selecting Brook, or from wanting to fight Canelo despite the fact that he had never fought above 155..... so I just get sick of those weak excuses..... because Golovkin could simply fight Lara tomorrow, just like Canelo did

fk Foreman, and fk winning..... who the hell did Rosado beat? and Brook only beat Shawn Porter ffs

Lara should be taken seriously for his LOSSES to Williams/Canelo, both of which were highly controversial..... and because he is a world-class fighter who would be one of Golovkin's best wins, if not his best

anyway we got Golovkin/Jacobs next, which should be highly anticipated by the time that fight rolls around

I pick Jacobs to do his thing early, looking great in the process..... and then Golovkin to do his thing late, also looking great in the process.....

GGG tko8

best of luck to both guys

[aboutfkntime]

Keep paying for Canelos matches vs no hopers where is the clear favorite. Now fighting a weight drained bum.

did you buy the Brook fight ?

lucky Wade wasn't PPV

shall we continue comparing resume's ?

just call the fat little red prick ugly

[World Champion?]

some good points there

regarding the bold..... I am just 1 guy, and not even a fan, so my opinion doesn't matter..... but I do give Golovkin credit, he is a terrific fighter.....

..... my issue is more with Golovkin fans, and with the hype/bullshht surrounding him..... like this..... "Golovkin has fought the best MW's that today's boxing has to offer".....

..... as you know, I named a bunch of better MW's..... and even you admitted that is not true..... "he hasn't fought many top middleweights yet"

also..... "the best MW's that today's boxing has to offer", will not trouble boxing historians, so he kinda missed the point

Golovkin is definitely a manufactured fighter, just like Pacquiao was for the last half of his career..... difference being, Pac was about as real as you can get during the first half.

but like you said..... Jacobs is next, and he is a very good start





you lost me a little bit there.....

Lara fighting Foreman does not make it hard to take him seriously at all, and nobody believes that..... which is why you admitted that you would still like to see that fight

stop making excuses

and the point about Wade is this..... that was a shht fight, and he was a shht opponent..... no matter how you spin it, and no matter who Lara fights next..... I understand the IBF issue, but if Golovkin wants to fight Dominic Wade for whatever reason, then fine...... just don't expect ANY credit from me for that, especially not when he follows up with a welter

YES, Lara could fight a middleweight opponent first..... but that did not stop Golovkin from selecting Rosado, or from selecting Brook, or from wanting to fight Canelo despite the fact that he had never fought above 155..... so I just get sick of those weak excuses..... because Golovkin could simply fight Lara tomorrow, just like Canelo did

fk Foreman, and fk winning..... who the hell did Rosado beat? and Brook only beat Shawn Porter ffs

Lara should be taken seriously for his LOSSES to Williams/Canelo, both of which were highly controversial..... and because he is a world-class fighter who would be one of Golovkin's best wins, if not his best

anyway we got Golovkin/Jacobs next, which should be highly anticipated by the time that fight rolls around

I pick Jacobs to do his thing early, looking great in the process..... and then Golovkin to do his thing late, also looking great in the process.....

GGG tko8

best of luck to both guys

The thing with Golovkin is that for whatever reason he hasn't had to face many top fighters in his career yet has gained 3 belts. He is somewhat limited in what he can do as far as making fights around his mandatories, which you acknowledged. Of course last September was a good opportunity to fight a top fighter, yet he chose to negotiate a money fight with Eubank (who I don't rate highly) before settling on fighting a welterweight in Kell Brook. As bad as that is, Canelo has done likewise by facing a number of fighters he can outweigh and outpunch, including Cotto, Khan and Smith. Not to be outdone, Lara has taken on Jan Zaveck and Yuri Foreman.

The point I am making is that all these guys are very good fighters but rarely face competition that is close to them, usually because of financial considerations, this does not make them bad fighters but it does make it hard for anyone to rank the elite fighters in the sport or work out where they may rank all time.

So whilst I understand why you might criticise Golovkin for not facing top fighters, you should also be criticising Lara for not fighting top guys himself. As you said, the Jacobs fight is a good one so let's hope that continues but personally I think Golovkin will get swamped by mandatories unless a Canelo fight happens and I doubt it happens this year.

[aboutfkntime]

The thing with Golovkin is that for whatever reason he hasn't had to face many top fighters in his career yet has gained 3 belts.

seriously, WHO FKN CARES ?

so fkn what ?

2 of them were vacant, and Lemieux is clearly NOT a top fighter

so, yea..... who fkn cares, and so what ?

THAT, is the very hype/dribble that I was referring to earlier

there is only 1 relevant question..... who did he beat, with consideration given to when/how?

He is somewhat limited in what he can do as far as making fights around his mandatories, which you acknowledged. Of course last September was a good opportunity to fight a top fighter, yet he chose to negotiate a money fight with Eubank (who I don't rate highly) before settling on fighting a welterweight in Kell Brook. As bad as that is, Canelo has done likewise by facing a number of fighters he can outweigh and outpunch, including Cotto, Khan and Smith. Not to be outdone, Lara has taken on Jan Zaveck and Yuri Foreman.

so what ?

how/why, do Canelo/Lara's decisions justify Golovkin's decisions?

Wade/Brook were shht opponents, regardless as to who those other guys fought

Lara/Canelo have both fought world-class opponents, Golovkin has not

#moreexcuses

The point I am making is that all these guys are very good fighters but rarely face competition that is close to them, usually because of financial considerations, this does not make them bad fighters but it does make it hard for anyone to rank the elite fighters in the sport or work out where they may rank all time.

So whilst I understand why you might criticise Golovkin for not facing top fighters, you should also be criticising Lara for not fighting top guys himself. As you said, the Jacobs fight is a good one so let's hope that continues but personally I think Golovkin will get swamped by mandatories unless a Canelo fight happens and I doubt it happens this year.

then he will be forever known as a manufactured fighter

if Golovkin continually fights no hopers - for WHATEVER reason - including to retain some worthless trinket..... and in doing so passes on better opponents..... then historians will judge him accordingly

how boxing works is..... you reap what you sow

nobody would/should feel sorry for Golovkin

historians won't pull your card..... "oh, but belts doe"..... they will look for names

FACT: every single fighter EVER, is 100% responsible/accountable for their decisions, and subsequently their resume'

NO excuses, NO hype, NO exceptions !

this is my bottom line:

GGG is a terrific fighter, but he is clearly manufactured/protected..... and he has been more than content to face no-hoper opponents rather than chase glory

you simply cannot compare him to someone like Lomachenko, who will fight anyone who looks in his direction.....

seriously, what if Ward tried that bullshht ?

"huh, Stevenson?..... nah man, I got all these mandatories, I'm too busy for him"

oh lordie, that would be fkn hilarious

..... go on, look me in the eye and tell me that you would be making excuses for Ward, like you are for Golovkin

you are seeing what you want to see, but historians will look for those names..... nothing more

[boxingitis]

did you buy the Brook fight ?

lucky Wade wasn't PPV

shall we continue comparing resume's ?

just call the fat little red prick ugly

Its was on HBO, do I think it was worth PPV is the US, No. Is GGG vs Jacobs better than Canelo vs Chavez Jr? Which one is worth ur money?

[World Champion?]

seriously, WHO FKN CARES ?

so fkn what ?

2 of them were vacant, and Lemieux is clearly NOT a top fighter

so, yea..... who fkn cares, and so what ?

THAT, is the very hype/dribble that I was referring to earlier

there is only 1 relevant question..... who did he beat, with consideration given to when/how?





so what ?

how/why, do Canelo/Lara's decisions justify Golovkin's decisions?

Wade/Brook were shht opponents, regardless as to who those other guys fought

Lara/Canelo have both fought world-class opponents, Golovkin has not

#moreexcuses





then he will be forever known as a manufactured fighter

if Golovkin continually fights no hopers - for WHATEVER reason - including to retain some worthless trinket..... and in doing so passes on better opponents..... then historians will judge him accordingly

how boxing works is..... you reap what you sow

nobody would/should feel sorry for Golovkin

historians won't pull your card..... "oh, but belts doe"..... they will look for names

FACT: every single fighter EVER, is 100% responsible/accountable for their decisions, and subsequently their resume'

NO excuses, NO hype, NO exceptions !

this is my bottom line:

GGG is a terrific fighter, but he is clearly manufactured/protected..... and he has been more than content to face no-hoper opponents rather than chase glory

you simply cannot compare him to someone like Lomachenko, who will fight anyone who looks in his direction.....

seriously, what if Ward tried that bullshht ?

"huh, Stevenson?..... nah man, I got all these mandatories, I'm too busy for him"

oh lordie, that would be fkn hilarious

..... go on, look me in the eye and tell me that you would be making excuses for Ward, like you are for Golovkin

you are seeing what you want to see, but historians will look for those names..... nothing more

I agree with your points, that's why I said that these decisions will make it hard for people, either now or in the future from ranking these guys or comparing them to greats throughout the history of the sport.

I think you are assuming that I am defending Golovkin when in fact I agree with you on him. I'm just trying to say that the other fighters you mentioned are also at fault for not fighting the best fighters they can.

Since you mentioned Ward, I'll just say that any fighter who chooses to retire instead of going through with a rematch as stipulated in a contract deserves some criticism as well. I don't really have anything against him as he has fought and beaten more top fighters than just about anyone still boxing.

[Bjl12]

Actually, K2 made a counter offer and they are negotiating.

But until Canelo fights ggg this September, Canelo is the guy who gave ggg a belt instead of fought.

And GGG is the guy who called out Ward then cancelled his challenge, called out Canelo but refused to meet in the middle, and called out Brooks...drag him up 13 pounds without conceding 1 pound.

Oh and GGG has no good wins on his record. L o L

[aboutfkntime]

Its was on HBO, do I think it was worth PPV is the US, No. Is GGG vs Jacobs better than Canelo vs Chavez Jr? Which one is worth ur money?

neither of those fights should be on PPV

neither Golovkin nor Jacobs are PPV fighters

Canelo is the only good/real PPV fighter in that bunch

Golovkin/Jacobs is the better fight

attempting to criticize Canelo's resume, whilst defending Golovkin's..... is ******ed

if you simply stated that you love Golovkin, but cannot stand the fat ugly red kid..... then I would understand

[aboutfkntime]

I agree with your points, that's why I said that these decisions will make it hard for people, either now or in the future from ranking these guys or comparing them to greats throughout the history of the sport.

unfortunately for them, it will not be that difficult at all

Mayweather, could be the best welterweight of all time..... nobody has ever had a better skill-set/ringIQ than Floyd Mayweather, he is fk'ing ELITE..... his technique is almost flawless and his instinctive decision-making is far beyond that of mere world-class fighters..... which is why he had no problem handling much bigger opponents

Mayweather could live with any welter in history, and would have beaten most of them..... but is he greater than Robinson/Leonard?

no way, because he does not have their caliber of wins

they climbed those mountains, he didn't

so..... whoop-de-shht, hard luck for him

so lower-tier fighters are dreaming if they think they can be mentioned alongside greats simply because they picked up a couple of ****ty ABC straps..... ABC straps that did not even exist back when some of the greats were fighting

names, or stay home

I think you are assuming that I am defending Golovkin when in fact I agree with you on him. I'm just trying to say that the other fighters you mentioned are also at fault for not fighting the best fighters they can.

Since you mentioned Ward, I'll just say that any fighter who chooses to retire instead of going through with a rematch as stipulated in a contract deserves some criticism as well. I don't really have anything against him as he has fought and beaten more top fighters than just about anyone still boxing.

nothing like that has happened, there will obviously be a rematch

Ward is not cut from that cloth

take everything you read on the internet with a grain of salt

willing to bet with anyone on that