Teddy Atlas on why he doesn't have gg top 10 but has Loma #1

[boliodogs]

I have no respect for Atlas or his opinion. He was outraged about Bradley winning the first fight with Pacquiao and said corruption was going on. Then when he becomes Bradley's trainer he said Bradley deserved to win that fight. He never stops talking while the fight is going on which lessens my enjoyment of the fight.I don't think he is a very good trainer. He is unfair to boxers who aren't from the USA. His fight picks are almost always wrong.

[g27region]

If he was a master at everything, fighters would not be lasting 12 rounds with him!

That is BS, man. You can say that he's not special and average and I'm not going to argue with it since it's your opinion, you have a right to have it. You can say he's not a KO artist, because he's not. But when you say fighters lasting 12 rounds with him, man, you're just going against reality.

Only 2 of his 7 wins went full distance. One of these wins went 12 rounds only because he injured his hand in the mid round and was one handed for the rest of the fight (that was the fight with Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo). Before that injury Lomachenko was knocking his ass down and mopping the canvas with his body. That's only 2 wins out of 7. The stats saying he is more likely to get a KO before 12th than letting a fighter survive a full distance

[g27region]

I'm a GGG fan but never had him TOP 5 P4P, you obviously must rate guys like Mickey, Loma, Rigo, Kova, Roman over him.

I'm probably a casual fan, but what's the biggest wins Mikey Garcia got in his resume?

I can agree with every name you mentioned except for Mikey, even though Mikey is one of my 4 favorite current fighters and I don't even like Golovkin

Man, before Zlaticanin, all of his last 10 opponents were defeated and beaten fighters with MORE than one loss in the resume (except for Martinez and Burgos - they had one loss when they faced Mikey)

That being said, I agree with you that there's no way Golovkin is a top 5 p4p

[BillyBoxing]

Not fair at all to give gg credit for the amateurs

Why not?

When it comes to judge the ability of the guy?

Because people say on this board GGG hasn't been tested as a fighter.

He has been quite a lot as an amateur.

And when the guy fought 400 fights in the ams, it's not fair to ignore 7 years of his boxing life as a grown man.

I always rated Lewis KO win over Bowe despite happening in the ams.

I'm doing the same with GGG ko win over Bute.

It does confirm that both were mean guys (especially Lewis obviously)

[BillyBoxing]

I agree, spence has yet to even beat a contender and people are claiming him the next floyd mayweather. Teddy atlas is pure hate

I followed Spence a bit in the ams, when he fought technicians, he got his ass schooled.

People sht on ams boxing, but great US fighters Oscar, Ward, Floyd, Roy or Holy all won a gold medal (or get robbed of one).

Ams is the university before entering pro boxing and Spence wasn't a very good student.

He's a beast so can steam roll dudes like Algieri or Bundu, but a good technician will frustrate him big time.

He also load all of his punches and is a bit face first, he will get floored soon.

They sht on GGG for being flawed but believe me, the Kazakh is much less flawed than their Spence hopes.

[BillyBoxing]

I'm probably a casual fan, but what's the biggest wins Mikey Garcia got in his resume?

I can agree with every name you mentioned except for Mikey, even though Mikey is one of my 4 favorite current fighters and I don't even like Golovkin

Man, before Zlaticanin, all of his last 10 opponents were defeated and beaten fighters with MORE than one loss in the resume (except for Martinez and Burgos - they had one loss when they faced Mikey)

That being said, I agree with you that there's no way Golovkin is a top 5 p4p

So you have to beat undefeated fighters to be P4P?

Mickey beat easely beat guys like Roman Martinez, Salidoe or Juanma Lopez.

Dude is a skilled beast.

[g27region]

So you have to beat undefeated fighters to be P4P?

Mickey beat easely beat guys like Roman Martinez, Salidoe or Juanma Lopez.

Dude is a skilled beast.

He is, but you can't say his resume is THAT superior to Golovkin resume that ggg can't be ahead of him in p4p list. Martinez is average level scalp

If you said Garcia has the better potential than Golovkin, I'd agree with it

[Ghost Rider]

My P4P List:

1. Kovalev
2. Crawford
3. Ward
4. Estrada
5. Gonzalez
6. Pacquiao
7. Canelo
8. M. Garcia
9. Lomachenko
10. Santa Cruz

[ggg_kz]

I followed Spence a bit in the ams, when he fought technicians, he got his ass schooled.

People sht on ams boxing, but great US fighters Oscar, Ward, Floyd, Roy or Holy all won a gold medal (or get robbed of one).

Ams is the university before entering pro boxing and Spence wasn't a very good student.

He's a beast so can steam roll dudes like Algieri or Bundu, but a good technician will frustrate him big time.

He also load all of his punches and is a bit face first, he will get floored soon.

They sht on GGG for being flawed but believe me, the Kazakh is much less flawed than their Spence hopes.

Here is another Kazakh Sapiyev like an elite matador outclassing Spence a bull:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQFmIYgecvw

[BillyBoxing]

He is, but you can't say his resume is THAT superior to Golovkin resume that ggg can't be ahead of him in p4p list. Martinez is average level scalp

If you said Garcia has the better potential than Golovkin, I'd agree with it

Yes, he doesn't, but he's even more impressive than GGG.

Mickey also has a big frame, he's like a GGG outsizing his opponents, dudes get murdered.

He's a cold killer like GGG but I think Mickey is a bit more of a patient technician, this guy is going to be very hard to beat.