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  • The Ring is ignoring its own rules when it comes to Canelo...

    THE RING’s Nos. 1 and 2 contenders fight one another.
    If the Nos. 1 and 2 contenders chose not to fight one another and either of them fights No. 3, No. 4 or No. 5, the winner may be awarded THE RING belt if the Editorial Board deems the contenders worthy. Here are the seven situations in which a champion can lose his belt:
    The Champion loses a fight in the weight class in which he is champion.
    The Champion moves to another weight class.

    The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months.
    The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight).
    The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years.
    The Champion retires.
    The Champion tests positive for a performance-enhancing substance.

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    Canelo first moved to 154 and is now going to fight at 168.

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    That means permanently moves.

    People so desperate for Golovkin to be given a title without beating the champion, AGAIN.

    Chad Dawson was still LHW champ after fighting Ward at SMW.
    Pavlik was still MW champ after fighting Hopkins at LHW.
    Mayweather was still WW champ after fighting DLH at LMW.
    Hatton was still LWW champ after fighting Mayweather at WW.
    JMM was still LW champ after moving up to fight both Mayweather and Pacquiao.
    Last edited by Robbie Barrett; 02-02-2017, 06:45 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Isaac Clarke View Post
      That means permanently moves.

      Chad Dawson was still LHW champ after fighting Ward at SMW.
      Pavlik was still MW champ after fighting Hopkins at LHW.
      Mayweather was still WW champ after fighting DLH at LMW.
      Hatton was still LWW champ after fighting Mayweather at WW.
      JMM was still LW champ after moving up to fight both Mayweather and Pacquiao.
      This.

      Not sure how legit the list above is, cuz I don't pay attention to Ring anymore or I just don't recall those ranking situations anymore, but I have no reason to doubt them.

      For sure Ring has turned into a GBP propaganda machine, but this Canelo thing doesn't seem like its a real issue. Plenty of other real issues & conflicts of interests with Ring & GBP doe.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Herr Schmeling View Post
        THE RING’s Nos. 1 and 2 contenders fight one another.
        If the Nos. 1 and 2 contenders chose not to fight one another and either of them fights No. 3, No. 4 or No. 5, the winner may be awarded THE RING belt if the Editorial Board deems the contenders worthy. Here are the seven situations in which a champion can lose his belt:
        The Champion loses a fight in the weight class in which he is champion.
        The Champion moves to another weight class.

        The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months.
        The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight).
        The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years.
        The Champion retires.
        The Champion tests positive for a performance-enhancing substance.

        ...

        Canelo first moved to 154 and is now going to fight at 168.
        Interesting point, but I think it's a question of whether Caneloweight (155) can be considered middleweight. The Chavez Jr fight is at Super Caneloweight (164.5) and you are referring to is as Super Middleweight (168). If that's the case, then his fight with Khan at Caneloweight also needs to be regarded as middleweight.

        Personally, I have trouble with the notion of Canelo as a middleweight champion due to his refusal to defend at 160. Everyone who is a ranked middleweight should be able to challenge the champion at the divisional limit. Canelo's position de-legitimises him as the champ on this basis.

        The middleweight championship has not been defended at 160lbs for nearly four years. I think this time will be recorded as a bit of a mess where Golovkin was really the best middleweight in the world. Because you can't regard Cotto and Canelo that seriously for the reasons outlined.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Isaac Clarke View Post
          That means permanently moves.
          There's no such thing as a 'permanent' move you dummy. A guy could move back down a division after five years. It's 18 months, by the ring's reckoning. Others hold it should only be 12.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dr Rumack View Post
            There's no such thing as a 'permanent' move you dummy. A guy could move back down a division after five years. It's 18 months, by the ring's reckoning. Others hold it should only be 12.
            Permanent as in has no intentions of returning.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Isaac Clarke View Post
              Permanent as in has no intentions of returning.
              Intentions? Is mind-reading the basis for recognition of champions now? Canelo dropped the WBC belt and fought a JMW. If 'intentions' were what you went by he couldn't be called the middleweight champ.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dr Rumack View Post
                Intentions? Is mind-reading the basis for recognition of champions now? Canelo dropped the WBC belt and fought a JMW. If 'intentions' were what you went by he couldn't be called the middleweight champ.
                He's made an offer to Golovkin to fight in September.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dr Rumack View Post
                  Intentions? Is mind-reading the basis for recognition of champions now? Canelo dropped the WBC belt and fought a JMW. If 'intentions' were what you went by he couldn't be called the middleweight champ.
                  Originally posted by Isaac Clarke View Post
                  He's made an offer to Golovkin to fight in September.
                  That's irrelevant. The Ring's rules say that if a fighter moves to another division he loses their lineal title. Canelo moved to SWW and said "I'm not a MW"

                  That's about as clear cut a move as you can get. If Canelo wasn't a GBP fighter he wouldn't be the Ring MW champion right now.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kafkod View Post
                    That's irrelevant. The Ring's rules say that if a fighter moves to another division he loses their lineal title. Canelo moved to SWW and said "I'm not a MW"

                    That's about as clear cut a move as you can get. If Canelo wasn't a GBP fighter he wouldn't be the Ring MW champion right now.
                    No it isn't. If you read the other rules it also mention fighting at other weights and i posted examples of fighters still being ring champion after fighting at other weights.

                    Another case of ******ed Golovkin fans not knowing what they're talking about/wanting rules changed because Golovkin doesn't win titles in the ring.

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