Comments Thread For: Judge Rules Against Golden Boy in Its Lawsuit Against Al Haymon

[OnePunch]

... Golden Boy hands over 85% of the net proceeds on Saul Alvarez's fight to Canelo Promotions, so... not sure what your point is.

If Frank Espinosa or Cameron Dunkin had the backing of his fighters, do you honestly think that they'd sign away their fighter's development years to a promoter, who can pull the plug the moment things go bad?

Haymon's model is simple; by controlling the TV, a fighter can go as far as their ability will take them.

No idea how viable the path is, but if Cameron Dunkin had a money bag, to put up and invest in bringing his clients along, he'd do it and sidestep Arum

Canelo Promotions is a PROMOTER, not a MANAGER, so Im not sure what YOUR point is.

The whole discussion, and what you, Kigali, and Zero cannot seem to grasp is that there are different rules in place for promoters and managers. They are defined differently in the Ali Act. Zero keeps blabbing on and on about "showing proof" when the proof is right in front if his nose. Its not difficult. If there is the potential for Haymon to make as much as 5 cents on a promotion, then he has a "financial interest" in the event. Plain and simple. And if acknowledging that makes me a hater, then I guess you guys continuing to ignore it must make you slurpers or something.....

[original zero]

page after page, no evidence or proof from one punch that haymon is violating the ali act.

what's taking him so long?

[The Big Dunn]

Canelo Promotions is a PROMOTER, not a MANAGER, so Im not sure what YOUR point is.

The whole discussion, and what you, Kigali, and Zero cannot seem to grasp is that there are different rules in place for promoters and managers. They are defined differently in the Ali Act. Zero keeps blabbing on and on about "showing proof" when the proof is right in front if his nose. Its not difficult. If there is the potential for Haymon to make as much as 5 cents on a promotion, then he has a "financial interest" in the event. Plain and simple. And if acknowledging that makes me a hater, then I guess you guys continuing to ignore it must make you slurpers or something.....

I was hoping you were going to admit you are wrong on this OP. The Judge made his ruling and found that GBP violated the Ali Act, not Haymon.

Maybe your understanding of the rule is incorrect since, to my knowledge, you are not an attorney. Maybe, your dislike of Haymon is driving how you see this instead of the facts.

Why do you want to see Haymon out of boxing so badly?

[OnePunch]

One Punch -

You've been asked over and over for any proof or evidence you have that Haymon is violating the Ali act. You continue to duck and dodge this request.

Worse, you're falsely claiming that I'm ignoring your questions even though I'm clearly answering them. Like I already stated, W&R invested in Haymon's company. Haymon's company makes money from management commissions.

This is very very simple stuff man. I'm not sure if you're playing dumb or if you're just blinded by anti-Haymon bias, but all you're offering the community is silly conspiracy theories with zero evidence.

Haymon's company has financed loss leader events for the purpose of increasing the marketability of the fighters his company manages. For those events, of which there is no profit, Haymon's company waived their management fee.

Just because Haymon negotiates a limit on how much a promoter can make on an event doesn't mean the promoter has no financial interest in the event. The promoter has to maximize the value of the event to increase the chances of hitting the maximum fee he can charge for promoting the event.

And by placing a ceiling on how much the promoter can make, there is more money left over for the fighters, which also increases the value of Haymon's management commission. Which is exactly how things are done in the music business.

So again, you offer no proof that Haymon's violating the Ali act. You're only offering your unsubstantiated ****amamie conspiracy theory, which was rebuked under oath by the promoters of the events in question.

not anymore, since he has waived those commissions. So if he doesnt make money on the events, and has now waived his management commissions, where exactly is his revenue coming from? Or is St. Haymon doing all these deeds from the goodness of his heart.

Bottom line though is this is a pointless debate to continue. Both of us are entrenched in our opinions, and not likely to change them. There certainly isnt anything YOU can say, or these other clowns that will change my mind, as I dont find you credible, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. So go ahead and post more drivel about how I'm dodging questions and blah blah blah, and Kilgali can give you green k or a ******* or whatever else, and you all can keep living vicariously through the achievements of someone you dont even know.......

[OnePunch]

I was hoping you were going to admit you are wrong on this OP. The Judge made his ruling and found that GBP violated the Ali Act, not Haymon.

Maybe your understanding of the rule is incorrect since, to my knowledge, you are not an attorney. Maybe, your dislike of Haymon is driving how you see this instead of the facts.

Why do you want to see Haymon out of boxing so badly?

the judge found that GBP was not "injured" by Haymons conduct. He did NOT say that Haymon did nothing wrong. If he had meant what you are claiming, then he would have dismissed WITH prejudice instead of WITHOUT.

And why would my opinion change? The facts have not changed from day 1, and Im consistent in my belief that what Haymon is doing is a violation of the Act. The fact that Golden Boy couldnt prove to a judge that they were harmed by it doesnt change the underlying facts.

But this is getting tiresome. Ive stated my opinion. You and several others disagree. Great. Now thats settled. Its honestly getting rather boring going over the same points again and again and again. Nobody is going to change their minds......



But that is

[original zero]

not anymore, since he has waived those commissions. So if he doesnt make money on the events, and has now waived his management commissions, where exactly is his revenue coming from? Or is St. Haymon doing all these deeds from the goodness of his heart.

Dude you can't possibly be this ******. It's already been explained to you repeatedly. The time buy events, which are the minority of the events featuring Haymon's fighters, are loss leaders designed to raise the value of his stable. On those specific events, he waives his management commission.

The majority of events featuring Haymon's fighters are not time buys and his company, which W&R invested in, receives a management commission from those events.

Bottom line though is this is a pointless debate to continue. Both of us are entrenched in our opinions, and not likely to change them. There certainly isnt anything YOU can say, or these other clowns that will change my mind, as I dont find you credible, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. So go ahead and post more drivel about how I'm dodging questions and blah blah blah, and Kilgali can give you green k or a ******* or whatever else, and you all can keep living vicariously through the achievements of someone you dont even know.......

But you're the only one entrenched in the opinion that has absolutely no facts, proof or evidence to support it. It's not our fault that you're a paranoid lunatic. Do you or do you not have evidence that shows Haymon is violating the Ali act? No, you don't. It's just a conspiracy theory you made up out of thin air with absolutely no basis in fact.

There's nothing I can say that will chance your mind because you don't care about facts, logic, reason, evidence or proof. Talking to you is like talking to a Scientologist. There isn't any evidence that supports what you believe, you just believe no matter what and don't care what reality is.

It's a free country. You can believe whatever you want. But just be a man and admit that you're choosing to believe something even though there is absolutely no proof or evidence. Stop pretending your belief is based on anything other than your imagination.

[original zero]

And why would my opinion change? The facts have not changed from day 1, and Im consistent in my belief that what Haymon is doing is a violation of the Act.

But your opinion was never based on the facts. Which is why you've always been wrong even though the facts haven't changed.

Haymon isn't doing what you think he's doing. What you're imagining he's doing WOULD be a violation, but he isn't doing what you imagined. You made it up.

In your head, Haymon decides what to pay the fighters and keeps the money that is left over. That would be a violation. But that isn't what he's doing. It's just a delusion you created.

[The Big Dunn]

the judge found that GBP was not "injured" by Haymons conduct. He did NOT say that Haymon did nothing wrong. If he had meant what you are claiming, then he would have dismissed WITH prejudice instead of WITHOUT.

And why would my opinion change? The facts have not changed from day 1, and Im consistent in my belief that what Haymon is doing is a violation of the Act. The fact that Golden Boy couldnt prove to a judge that they were harmed by it doesnt change the underlying facts.

But this is getting tiresome. Ive stated my opinion. You and several others disagree. Great. Now thats settled. Its honestly getting rather boring going over the same points again and again and again. Nobody is going to change their minds......



But that is

That isn't true dude. Dismissed with or without prejudice refers to permanent dismissal. It doesn't mean the other side did or didn't do anything.

Ok, that is your belief but your belief has been proven false, you are simply holding onto that belief for whatever reasons: spite, jealousy, hate or worse. You have a very strong opinion which is fine, but at this point you have no facts that support your opinion.

It may not change the facts but it should change your interpretation of them. You seem very sure you are seeing something being done despite the Judge saying otherwise. Then you attack the credibility of the judge and the legal system because they reach a conclusion different than yours..

basically, since this decision, you post that everyone is wrong, corrupt or incompetent but you!!

This isn't about opinions. This is about admitting you are wrong. The judge reviewed the facts and dismissed the case. GBP can refile but its clear they are not going to.

It clear something other than the facts are driving your opinion here.

[OnePunch]

Dude you can't possibly be this ******. It's already been explained to you repeatedly. The time buy events, which are the minority of the events featuring Haymon's fighters, are loss leaders designed to raise the value of his stable. On those specific events, he waives his management commission.

The majority of events featuring Haymon's fighters are not time buys and his company, which W&R invested in, receives a management commission from those events.




But you're the only one entrenched in the opinion that has absolutely no facts, proof or evidence to support it. It's not our fault that you're a paranoid lunatic. Do you or do you not have evidence that shows Haymon is violating the Ali act? No, you don't. It's just a conspiracy theory you made up out of thin air with absolutely no basis in fact.

There's nothing I can say that will chance your mind because you don't care about facts, logic, reason, evidence or proof. Talking to you is like talking to a Scientologist. There isn't any evidence that supports what you believe, you just believe no matter what and don't care what reality is.

It's a free country. You can believe whatever you want. But just be a man and admit that you're choosing to believe something even though there is absolutely no proof or evidence. Stop pretending your belief is based on anything other than your imagination.

You cant "prove" the sun will come up tomorrow, therefore it wont, according to your brilliant analysis.

Answer ONE simple question.

Does Haymon have the potential to profit so much as 5 cents on an event that features fighters under his management?

YES or NO

or continue to dodge, whichever suits you........

[OnePunch]

That isn't true dude. Dismissed with or without prejudice refers to permanent dismissal. It doesn't mean the other side did or didn't do anything.

Ok, that is your belief but your belief has been proven false, you are simply holding onto that belief for whatever reasons: spite, jealousy, hate or worse. You have a very strong opinion which is fine, but at this point you have no facts that support your opinion.

It may not change the facts but it should change your interpretation of them. You seem very sure you are seeing something being done despite the Judge saying otherwise. Then you attack the credibility of the judge and the legal system because they reach a conclusion different than yours..

basically, since this decision, you post that everyone is wrong, corrupt or incompetent but you!!

This isn't about opinions. This is about admitting you are wrong. The judge reviewed the facts and dismissed the case. GBP can refile but its clear they are not going to.

It clear something other than the facts are driving your opinion here.

yeah, that must be it. I guess I hate black people or something. Thats usually the "go-to" answer around here when people disagree.

Meanwhile the Haymon-love around here is approaching some kind of bizarre Jim Jones type ****. I would bet that given the opportunity, half this board would suck the mans ****.....