Comments Thread For: Judge Rules Against Golden Boy in Its Lawsuit Against Al Haymon

[OnePunch]

It is OVER...LET IT GO! LMFAO at the people who think they're smarter than Judges and Lawyers on this forum!

good to know that every judge and laywer on the planet are perfect and never get anything wrong. Except our entire judicial system is built on the idea of arguing opposite interpretations, so 1 side or the other will always lose. Does that make them dumb?

That being said, I dont entirely disagree with the judge on this issue of whether or not GBP was injured by Haymons conduct. GBP couldnt prove they were actually injured by Haymons conduct, ergo their lawsuit got bounced. But that doesnt change the underlying facts, and the only "remedy" at this point is for the Justice Dept to take a look at it, which is unlikely, as they have never filed a single Ali Act complaint in the history of the Act. I guess that must mean that nobody has ever violated the Act, because judges and lawyers are never wrong.

[Motorcity Cobra]

It has nothing to do with Oscar, because obviously he couldnt prove that he was "injured" by Haymons conduct. Same scenario if I rob a bank and you sue me because of it. You will lose, because you cant prove my conduct injured you, but that doesnt mean I didnt rob the bank.

But I wouldn't be suing you for robbing the bank. I would be suing you for stealing my money out of the bank. But my money is insured by the bank so you didn't harm me therefore there would be no need to sue you. Just like Haymon didn't harm Oscar so there was no need for Oscar to sue Haymon.

Now if you assaulted me while I was at the bank I could sue you and you'd be ordered to pay victim restitution.

Stop with the horrible analogies and just let it go. You aren't smarter than his lawyers. You don't have some super secret information. You hate Haymon. Just admit it.

[OnePunch]

But I wouldn't be suing you for robbing the bank. I would be suing you for stealing my money out of the bank. But my money is insured by the bank so you didn't harm me therefore there would be no need to sue you. Just like Haymon didn't harm Oscar so there was no need for Oscar to sue Haymon.

Now if you assaulted me while I was at the bank I could sue you and you'd be ordered to pay victim restitution.

Stop with the horrible analogies and just let it go. You aren't smarter than his lawyers. You don't have some super secret information. You hate Haymon. Just admit it.

It is impossible to "hate" someone you dont know. He might be a swell guy for all I know. But I do think his overall "plan" is terrible for the sport, is not feasible or sustainable, and it will leave the sport worse off than when it got here. But of course "limited" minds will assume that it is hate, because they cant fathom the possibility that people might actually disagree on what direction is best for the sport.....

oh you disagree??? Youre a HATER derp derp derp


and whats with this ******ed "smarter than the lawyers" thing? Are people not permitted to have a different interpretation? EVERY LAWYER in the country has lost a case at some point, and most every judge has been overturned on appeal at some point, so does that mean they are all ******?

[original zero]

Very interesting that Terry replied to everybody but me. Since I was the one asking for the evidence (that he doesn't have) that Haymon is violating the Ali act.

[Motorcity Cobra]

But I do think his overall "plan" is terrible for the sport, is not feasible or sustainable, and it will leave the sport worse off than when it got here.

This is why I say there is more to it than just believing Haymon is bad for the sport. The sport has survived so much worse than Haymon. It has survived being controlled by the mob. It has survived being run by crooked promoters. Crooked sanctioning bodies. It has survived being investigated by the government and action taken by the government. It has survived match fixing. This sport has survived some of the worst characters alive being involved in it

But a man who is trying to make the sport more available to the public is going to kill the sport. A man who has found millions to invest in the sport while other found millions to siphon from the sport. A man who has looked out for fighters while others have used fighters and left them broke and injured. This is the guy people think is gonna kill the sport.

[kafkod]

Very interesting that Terry replied to everybody but me. Since I was the one asking for the evidence (that he doesn't have) that Haymon is violating the Ali act.

If I'm understanding this judgement correctly, violating the Ali act is not illegal unless it can be proven that somebody was harmed by that action.

So it's not the same as a regular statutary criminal offence, like DUI. When Oscar was caught DUI, it didn't matter whether he'd harmed anybody or not. DUI, in itself, is a criminal act, and he did it, so he's guilty and will be punished.

But when Oscar complained about Haymon violating the Ali act, he had to prove that harm or injury had been done to somebody, or the case wouldn't stand up.

[boxingitis]

Deontay Wilder, Danny Garcia, and Showtime's partnership with Matchroom Sport for Joshua/Degale/Brook, alone, gives your list a run for it's money; and that's even before considering that Andre Ward is on the open market and will likely cross over after the Kovalev rematch.

You add the fact that the young fighters (Errol Spence Jr, Charlo Brothers, Ryan Karl, Caleb Pant, etc) coming along, and there's really no comparison.

HBO will win. More promoters on their side. When haymon works with Top Rank and Golden Boy to telecast in Showtime, then Showtime will win. Plus Oscar just made a deal with ESPN to bring up new talent to the public.

[snoopymiller]

HBO will win. More promoters on their side. When haymon works with Top Rank and Golden Boy to telecast in Showtime, then Showtime will win. Plus Oscar just made a deal with ESPN to bring up new talent to the public.

That's a pretty dumb statement.

But that's to be expected lol

[original zero]

Kafkod -

Right, but what you're not understanding is that One Punch is claiming that Haymon is skimming from his fighters, but is offering absolutely no proof or evidence.



Boxingitis -

HBO continues to shrink their budget and since they have "more promoters on their side," that means each of those promoters are fighting over a shrinking pie. There's no way for those promoters to thrive because there just isn't enough money to go around.

Oscar just made a deal with ESPN*2* to air Oscar's fights for $0. It's ultimately meaningless.

[LoadedWraps]

Came here to read original zero 's thoughts. Not disappointed.