Kovalev vs Ward Slowmo punch count round by round.

[daggum]

This link you gave has some interesting points. There are two things he did though that were shady: He abridged the rounds. So we don't see all the scoring he did. he also occasionally misjudged on his punch count...you can see some subjectivity. It showed that it was a close fight... but figuring out what was slipped, what landed, and some other details seemed difficult at times.

Credit where credit is due, there are some spots to think about, and this information is not just fluff.

he took out all the parts where nobody was throwing. i don't know how that is shady.

[uppercut510]

the only thing im watching in slow motion these days is marquez KO pac man

[-PBP-]

they scored roudn 10 to ward when kovalev won it easily so you are right. there was almost no chance at a fair decision from the start. they couldn't score an easy round how are they going to score a somewhat clsoe round? its much easier to just give every roudn to ward without analyzing what actually happened.

1 bad round out of 12 isn't bad judging though. It's unfortunate that round 10 was the difference in the fight, but when you have a fight that close, things like that happen.

I gave 10 to Kovalev, personally.

[Bjl12]

If it were possible that boxer a.) lands 200 punches in a single round badly cutting his opponent and closing his eyes shut then averages 15 for the remaining eleven rounds in contrast to fighter b.) who lands 31 punches per-round who wins? but boxing is not judged by damage or punch stats -- so its a trick question in case you took me serious and decided to do the math lol.

Lots of people on here don't understand round scoring. They think because Kovy scored a KD and was clearly the more powerful puncher that he somehow wins the fight despite the fact he lost 6 of the last 7 rounds of the fight due to inactivity and being outboxed/outscored.

Those fans always turn to "total punches landed" as if they gives an indication of anything at all.

[billeau2]

he took out all the parts where nobody was throwing. i don't know how that is shady.

Really? you don't know how that could be shady? liberace was once quoted, when asked how good a painist he was, as saying..."I play Bach and Beethoven, but take the boring parts out..." Now he was joking, but you see a problem with that? I would like to judge for myself who was throwing...If body blows were counted, etc.

if you see nothing wrong with that then take my word for it...ottke's ref punched harder than Sven...and protected Sven better...Sven!

[Dr Rumack]

I don't get the point of these when judges score live, ringside and can't track everything that lands. You can't fault them for missing certain shots.

It's not about faulting judges though, it's about seeing what really happened. I like them for that reason alone. Although I'm not sure how reliable this video is.

[SCEN3RY]

landed punches aren't the most important point of boxing now? There's really nothing else I can learn from NSB. This is the tip of ******ity. This site will inevitably, slowly transition into No Touch Martial Arts discussions. I have no doubt.

I agree that punch stats are flawed. A sole reliance is almost always a flawed policy. Numbers obscure as much as they reveal. And as far as punch stats go most of them are inaccurate to begin with. But just because they can't tell us everything, it doesn't mean that they don't tell us anything. All I'm saying is that the punches matter most and that's where the focus should be. That's different to saying just tally them up and decide based on that.

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it's difficult catching all hits and misses in live time (which is why such videos are helpful for a better gauge when done with the intent of honestly). But sometimes compubox is so off it begs to ask, what were they watching?

[Joe Beamish]

Got to score those wrestling and grabbing moves too. Grabbing Kovalev around the waist and holding on. Now that's quality boxing.

[Dr Rumack]

landed punches aren't the most important point of boxing now? There's really nothing else I can learn from NSB. This is the tip of ******ity. This site will inevitably, slowly transition into No Touch Martial Arts discussions. I have no doubt.



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it's difficult catching all hits and misses in live time (which is why such videos are helpful for a better gauge when done with the intent of honestly). But sometimes compubox is so off it begs to ask, what were they watching?

I don't think you can blame Compubox. What they claim to do is impossible. Even when you watch back relatively low volume fights like this one it is very difficult to tally the punches with 100% certainty. In real time, it's ridiculous to even suggest that it can be done reliably.

Really it's the fault of the networks for peddling this shit down through the years. And the likes of Lampley, Kellerman, Al Bernstein etc deserve a lot of the blame too.

[j0zef]

Lots of people on here don't understand round scoring. They think because Kovy scored a KD and was clearly the more powerful puncher that he somehow wins the fight despite the fact he lost 6 of the last 7 rounds of the9 fight due to inactivity and being outboxed/outscored.

Those fans always turn to "total punches landed" as if they gives an indication of anything at all.

This is false. Kovalev was the busier fighter in 11/12 rounds, with the 1 being 29-32. Your comment about inactivity is not true

As for being out boxed, I disagree with that as well. Everyone talked about how Ward out boxed him in later rounds and on the inside, but they're completely ignoring what Kovalev did. He was incredibly successful on the inside as well.

The fight was heavily influenced by styles. Kovalev was the bully early, and was easy to score for. Later on, it became more of Wards type of fight, and everyone just gave him the rounds because nobody can possibly see kov out boxing Ward. Those last 6 rounds were close, with 2 clear ward rounds and 1 clear kov round. There's no justification for giving all 6 to ward. The judges were influenced by reputations and by fans.