Greatest Featherwight?

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Interesting. I didnt realise also the Armstrong had a number of DQ loses.
The guy was freaky.

LOL!! I think so too, buddy! Did what the job required. One may have to be freaky to hold three crowns in three weight classes all at the same time (and in an era that had no "Juniors" and "Supers")!

By the way, I also forgot to mention in my first post that Armstrong met Midget Wolgast at Feather; I think, twice and won both?

That Hank was one mean customer!

I think my trouble with looking at Armstrong is that he was so good at all three weight classes, he sometimes falls short of the top when he is measured against the great ones in EACH of the weight classes. The guy so transcended those three weight divisions, it has become tough to make him the Number 1 in one.

I guess one can say he was all his own division. At least, for a time.

[machotime]

Some records:

Willie Pep: 230 Wins(65 KO). 11 Loses (6 by KO). 1 Draw
Henry Armstrong: 151 Wins(100 KO). 21 Loses (2 by KO). 10 Draws
Salvador Sanchez: 44 Wins (32 KO). 1 Loss. 1 Draw
Manny Paquaio: 41 Wins (33 KO). 3 Loses(2 by KO). 2 Draws

and for those interested

Bantamweight Champ
Wilfedo Gomez: 44 Wins(42 KO). 3 Loses(3 by KO). 1 Draw
All 3 loses were when challenging for the featherwieght or Superfeatherweight titles.

Yep, Gomez was a little giant, as many have called him. The best 122 ever.

[yrrej]

Geeezzz, there's a bunch of great fighters there....

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Beat in no particular order:

Pep
Sanchez
Armstrong

I voted for Will o the wisp because:

1. He is italian

2. Most know but some don't: On January 8 1947 he had a plane crash, he broke two vertebrae and a leg. He came back to the ring on June 17, as soon as he was out of cast...

All his losses but one (against a former 135 champion) happened after this.

3. Armstrong fought in a number of classes so it's hard to rank him in one, but he is like top 3 p4p in history or so

4. Chavo died young: he might have done more than pep or less or about the same, we'll never know

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Most know but some don't: On January 8 1947 he had a plane crash, he broke two vertebrae and a leg. He came back to the ring on June 17, as soon as he was out of cast...

All his losses but one (against a former 135 champion) happened after this.

I didn't know that about Willie Pep, thanks for the info!

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Yep, Gomez was a little giant, as many have called him. The best 122 ever.

awsome fighter!

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Beat in no particular order:

Pep
Sanchez
Armstrong

I voted for Will o the wisp because:

1. He is italian

2. Most know but some don't: On January 8 1947 he had a plane crash, he broke two vertebrae and a leg. He came back to the ring on June 17, as soon as he was out of cast...

All his losses but one (against a former 135 champion) happened after this.

3. Armstrong fought in a number of classes so it's hard to rank him in one, but he is like top 3 p4p in history or so

4. Chavo died young: he might have done more than pep or less or about the same, we'll never know

Right before the mishap, Pep was on a power binge: stopping 7 of 8 foes (while winning all 8) whom he faced after TKOing (12) Sal Bartolo for the World Feather title. Pep had, a year earlier, won the NYSAC version of the world title from Chalky Wright and defended that title against the same Bartolo before they met again for the more widely recognized title.

Pep's last fight before the accident was against Chalky Wright (KO3). His other stoppage victims during that period were Harold Gibson (TKO7), Doll Rafferty (KO 6), Walter Kolby (KO 5), Lefty LaChance (TKO3), Tomas Beato (KO2) and Jackie Graves whom Pep floored 9 times (though Graves also floored Pep in the 6th). It was a tad an unsual streak for someone who was labeled as featherfisted.

I won't argue against anyone who pick Pep or Saddler or Armstrong or Eusebio Pedroza (whose name is not on the poll even though he had the most title defenses at Featherweight in the entire history of the division) or.... Different strokes for different folks, really.

As for me, I'll stubbornly stick with Chava, if you guys don't mind.

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I didn't know that about Willie Pep, thanks for the info!

you are most welcome

[wmute]

Right before the mishap, Pep was on a power binge: stopping 7 of 8 foes (while winning all 8) whom he faced after TKOing (12) Sal Bartolo for the World Feather title. Pep had, a year earlier, won the NYSAC version of the world title from Chalky Wright and defended that title against the same Bartolo before they met again for the more widely recognized title.

Pep's last fight before the accident was against Chalky Wright (KO3). His other stoppage victims during that period were Harold Gibson (TKO7), Doll Rafferty (KO 6), Walter Kolby (KO 5), Lefty LaChance (TKO3), Tomas Beato (KO2) and Jackie Graves whom Pep floored 9 times (though Graves also floored Pep in the 6th). It was a tad an unsual streak for someone who was labeled as featherfisted.

I won't argue against anyone who pick Pep or Saddler or Armstrong or Eusebio Pedroza (whose name is not on the poll even though he had the most title defenses at Featherweight in the entire history of the division) or.... Different strokes for different folks, really.

As for me, I'll stubbornly stick with Chava, if you guys don't mind.

I sure dont mind... Hard to mind when the guy has stopped gomez and nelson!

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I sure dont mind... Hard to mind when the guy has stopped gomez and nelson!

Thanks!

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