Greatest Featherwight?

[ferocity]

So, I'll take Salvador Sanchez. Though he barely went past Azumah in his last fight (a late rally was what got him the TKO13-- Nelson got winded) and a rematch was in the air when he met his fate in that car crash, what he did before and during the Nelson fight are what convince me. It's sad that he was not granted the chance to be much more convincing. He would have been.

i seen the sanchez v. nelson fight and i disaggree that nelson got tired, i think it was just that sanchez stepped it up and got the ko.

[magicjordan]

Pfffft...are you kidding me? He only had 4 fights at 126, and he is already the greatest?

who do you think on the list can beat pacquiao?do you think they can beat morales,barrera or marquez.

[grayfist]

i seen the sanchez v. nelson fight and i disaggree that nelson got tired, i think it was just that sanchez stepped it up and got the ko.

Ive seen it too and obviously,I agree that Sanchez ratcheted it up notches; I said so in the first post (read again, please). But I maintain that the pace and humidity got to Nelson who tired.

To quote myself (an exercise that I don't relish): "A late rally got him the TKO 13--Nelson got winded."

[machotime]

who do you think on the list can beat pacquiao?do you think they can beat morales,barrera or marquez.

Sal Sanchez, Pep, Armstrong They would all do a job on Pacman

[magicjordan]

Sal Sanchez, Pep, Armstrong They would all do a job on Pacman

i don't think they can take manny's left hand.and i don't think they can match his power,speed and stamina of pacman.

[machotime]

i don't think they can take manny's left hand.and i don't think they can match his power,speed and stamina of pacman.

Sal Sanchez Walked through Wilfredo Gomez, which is the hardest punching 122/126 ever and top 5 P4P punchers ever in the history of boxing. If Sanchez had anything it was a chin he took shots from Gomez that nobody could ever stand up to. Pep, was a great boxer and would outbox Pac.

There is nothing that Pac can do that Sal Sanchez cannot handle.

[The Noose]

i don't think they can take manny's left hand.and i don't think they can match his power,speed and stamina of pacman.

Sanchez took Wilfredo Gomez best shots, and didnt move. Armstrong was one of the toughest men ever to step into the ring, i believe he could take Pacmans shots. Pep would be a nightmare to hit cleanly, but Pacman could stop him.

If think manny belongs up there with the best. But IMO, they could take his shots. As well as he could take thiers.

[grayfist]

Sanchez took Wilfredo Gomez best shots, and didnt move. Armstrong was one of the toughest men ever to step into the ring, i believe he could take Pacmans shots. Pep would be a nightmare to hit cleanly, but Pacman could stop him.

If think manny belongs up there with the best. But IMO, they could take his shots. As well as he could take thiers.

Hey, bobby, this is something that does not dove-tail quite neatly into your post except that it is a little curious trivia about Armstrong meeting a Filipino (as is Manny Pacquiao):

Armstrong met Kid Moro three times:

1. Nov 3, 1933, at Pismo Beach, CA
2. Nov. 23, 1933 (a mere 20 days later) at Stockton, CA
3. May 4, 2034 at Watsonville, CA

Each of these fights ended in a draw. All were at Feather-to-Lightweight (one would have been "Jr. Light" at 130 but there was no Jr. Light/SuperFeather at the time). None were title bouts.

Note: 1. The first meeting ended in greater controversy. The ref called it for Armstrong (it was all left to the ref to render the decision as was customary for the time) but he was reversed by the State Commissioner in attendance.

2. Armstrong was also held to a draw by another Filipino: Ceferino (sometimes called, "Pedro") Garcia (1940), but won over Garcia in a previous fight (1938). Both were title fights--sort of. The first at Madison Square Garden was widely recognized as a World Welter championship but the second was recognized only by the State of California though billed as a "World Championship".

Thus, two Filipinos actually held Armstrong to 40 percent of Hank's 10 draws on record.

BTW, thanks for the Ks! Sent you some too.

[The Noose]

Some records:

Willie Pep: 230 Wins(65 KO). 11 Loses (6 by KO). 1 Draw
Henry Armstrong: 151 Wins(100 KO). 21 Loses (2 by KO). 10 Draws
Salvador Sanchez: 44 Wins (32 KO). 1 Loss. 1 Draw
Manny Paquaio: 41 Wins (33 KO). 3 Loses(2 by KO). 2 Draws

and for those interested

Bantamweight Champ
Wilfedo Gomez: 44 Wins(42 KO). 3 Loses(3 by KO). 1 Draw
All 3 loses were when challenging for the featherwieght or Superfeatherweight titles.

[The Noose]

Hey, bobby, this is something that does not dove-tail quite neatly into your post except that it is a little curious trivia about Armstrong meeting a Filipino (as is Manny Pacquiao):

Armstrong met Kid Moro three times:

1. Nov 3, 1933, at Pismo Beach, CA
2. Nov. 23, 1933 (a mere 20 days later) at Stockton, CA
3. May 4, 2034 at Watsonville, CA

Each of these fights ended in a draw. All were at Feather-to-Lightweight (one would have been "Jr. Light" at 130 but there was no Jr. Light/SuperFeather at the time). None were title bouts.

Note: 1. The first meeting ended in greater controversy. The ref called it for Armstrong (it was all left to the ref to render the decision as was customary for the time) but he was reversed by the State Commissioner in attendance.

2. Armstrong was also held to a draw by another Filipino: Ceferino (sometimes called, "Pedro") Garcia (1940), but won over Garcia in a previous fight (1938). Both were title fights--sort of. The first at Madison Square Garden was widely recognized as a World Welter championship but the second was recognized only by the State of California though billed as a "World Championship".

Thus, two Filipinos actually held Armstrong to 40 percent of Hank's 10 draws on record.

BTW, thanks for the Ks! Sent you some too.

Interesting. I didnt realise also the Armstrong had a number of DQ loses.
The guy was freaky.