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  • hitking
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    #11
    Originally posted by GodOfBoxing
    N word? Got to be kidding me. The meaning and "sting" of that-once-upon-a-time BAD SWEAR WORD....had been intelligently dissected long, long ago. Doesn't AT ALL mean same as before. Matter of fact//& even though these boxers using that in a WAR sort of way..yet just the same it's friendly word to use in modern.
    No use to get bent out of shape.
    Where this writer been?????
    The N-word is a very sensitive deal. I'm black, and I use the word probably several dozen times a day. I get called the N-word very often by other blacks. But I get very agitated if I hear a non-black use the word. I'm not saying its not hypocritical. But that's just the way it is. I was born and raised in the South. I've had this conversation with several non-blacks. They feel blacks are very hypocritical when it comes to the word. My response to non-blacks is always the same. WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT THE WORD THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO KNOWINGLY OFFEND PEOPLE AND EVEN CHANCE A PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION JUST TO USE IT???

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    • PittyPat
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      #12
      "Kweshtchun: why is it..." that I can't remember any of the trashtalk between Angel Garcia and Ruben Guerrero this time last year? :thnk1: Surely it would've been off the charts compared to this, considering Thurman doesn't have an outspoken dad for a trainer.

      I remember the Garcia–Guerrero fight itself, but nearly none of the hype. Did something happen to make it less memorable, or is it my old-ass memory letting me down?

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      • bojangles1987
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        #13
        Yes, boxing is rougher than most sports, but if you want boxing to ever recover anything close to its former status, you have to stop racist pieces of **** like Angel Garcia from doing **** like that. You can't have the trainer of one of the more famous younger stars in the sport ranting in that way. I don't care if boxing takes pride in not being PC, this isn't about being PC. This is about a man being an awful person.

        I wish Danny would stand up to his father on this.

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        • billeau2
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          #14
          Originally posted by hitking
          The N-word is a very sensitive deal. I'm black, and I use the word probably several dozen times a day. I get called the N-word very often by other blacks. But I get very agitated if I hear a non-black use the word. I'm not saying its not hypocritical. But that's just the way it is. I was born and raised in the South. I've had this conversation with several non-blacks. They feel blacks are very hypocritical when it comes to the word. My response to non-blacks is always the same. WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT THE WORD THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO KNOWINGLY OFFEND PEOPLE AND EVEN CHANCE A PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION JUST TO USE IT???
          I am White and would never tell you, or anyone else how you should feel...Including another white person by the way. I say that with no caveats.

          There is in fact a logical explanation for your experience and every other individual's experience with language use, including the apropriation of the "N word." Very simply put; people are logical beings, language is not logical. language often reflects power dynamics that exist but make us feel uncomfortable. So that while logically the n word, and all other such words, SHOULD reflect one thing, the word really takes on the way people feel and express themselves emotionally and through power dynamics. in this case the N word reflects feelings people have about race and relationship.

          it always backfires when we oppress the use of language to be politically correct. Language was never meant to be sane, sanitary and socially acceptable...it was meant to convey meaning and it is very good at doing that honestly, even if it hurts feelings in the process.

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          • whitealltrac
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            #15
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            Rapper Tupac Shakur explained the terms very clear during many of his interviews with the media, "N word" were the ones hanging from a rope = an ethnic slur against black people.
            "N_ _as" are the ones with gold ropes hanging out at clubs = used more *******ly among younger members of all races and ethnicities in the United States.
            TWO different words, Angel kept saying the later one which is ok for him to say because it is not an ethnic slur.

            I live 35 mins from Philly and most Latin people there call themselves that. I personally don't like to use any of the above terms but it is widely acceptable when you refer to anyone as a "N_ _ _ a".

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            • bluemax
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              #16
              I always felt thruout most of his career Danny Garcia was a protected fighter. He's a good fighter but it appears at least in some of his fights he got the benefit of the doubt and I would think the last thing his father should be doing since he won't be taking the punches is pumping up Thurman who is the much harder puncher and appears at least on paper to be the better fighter at this weight. Guess old man Garcia doesn't mind his son taking a few licks for his big mouth.

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              • hitking
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                #17
                Originally posted by whitealltrac
                Rapper Tupac Shakur explained the terms very clear during many of his interviews with the media, "N word" were the ones hanging from a rope = an ethnic slur against black people.
                "N_ _as" are the ones with gold ropes hanging out at clubs = used more *******ly among younger members of all races and ethnicities in the United States.
                TWO different words, Angel kept saying the later one which is ok for him to say because it is not an ethnic slur.

                I live 35 mins from Philly and most Latin people there call themselves that. I personally don't like to use any of the above terms but it is widely acceptable when you refer to anyone as a "N_ _ _ a".
                I think the use of the word and how its accepted is more cultural than anything else. Things are different in the South, where I'm from, than they are on the East Coast. I'm not gonna pretend we're living in the 50s and 60s down here. I've certainly heard non-blacks use the word and haven't reacted negatively. For most folks in my "inner circle", age and where they grew up seems to be the determining factor on how we react to the word. My dad is in his 60s and grew up in rural Southern AL. He uses the word. But if he hears a non-black say the word in his presence, its gonna be a problem. I'm 35 and grew up in a metropolitan city. If I hear a non-black use the word in the "ga" context, I usually will let it go, even if I'm annoyed. But if I'm having a disagreement with a non-black and he uses the word in any context, my fist is coming soon as it leaves his mouth.

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                • ex-pacfan
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by hitking
                  ... I was born and raised in the South. I've had this conversation with several non-blacks. ...
                  This is why you don't get it. Up north there are alot of Hispanics, many of which are black, part black or have black relatives and live in or around black neighborhoods. Therefore, to steal a line from Chris Rock, they have the approval of their nearest "ni99a consulate" to use the term "ni99a". Trust me, Angel and Danny, get mad love in the hood.

                  These were not racial slurs this was Angel having a full blown "ni99a moment" a la the boondocks.

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                  • hitking
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by ex-pacfan
                    This is why you don't get it. Up north there are alot of Hispanics, many of which are black, part black or have black relatives and live in or around black neighborhoods. Therefore, to steal a line from Chris Rock, they have the approval of their nearest "ni99a consulate" to use the term "ni99a". Trust me, Angel and Danny, get mad love in the hood.

                    These were not racial slurs this was Angel having a full blown "ni99a moment" a la the boondocks.
                    The South isn't all rural areas and small towns. I grew up in Nashville. I went to school with just about every ethnicity you can think of. And I've been around a lot of Hispanics and whites that grew up around blacks. Some of which used the N-word. Maybe its not as accepted down here, but it's not foreign either.

                    The difference between the non-blacks I know that use the word and what Angel did is that they use the word among people that they know aren't offended by it. Growing up around blacks doesn't make you black. It also doesn't give you universal "black privilege." Angel wasn't in a private setting among peers. He was at a press conference that was gonna be accessible to every person on this planet with a TV and/or internet access. That's a lot of different people from a lot of different backgrounds. Several of whom simply see a non-black spewing the N-word in a confrontational manner.

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                    • ex-pacfan
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by hitking
                      The South isn't all rural areas and small towns. I grew up in Nashville. I went to school with just about every ethnicity you can think of. And I've been around a lot of Hispanics and whites that grew up around blacks. Some of which used the N-word. Maybe its not as accepted down here, but it's not foreign either.

                      The difference between the non-blacks I know that use the word and what Angel did is that they use the word among people that they know aren't offended by it. Growing up around blacks doesn't make you black. It also doesn't give you universal "black privilege." Angel wasn't in a private setting among peers. He was at a press conference that was gonna be accessible to every person on this planet with a TV and/or internet access. That's a lot of different people from a lot of different backgrounds. Several of whom simply see a non-black spewing the N-word in a confrontational manner.
                      Agreed. Not a good look for Angel, overall.

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