Originally posted by travestyny
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Stop being naive.
Lance still did a lot of testing
Above post brings up Hamilton and WADA and how its easy to micro-dose and beat WADA tests. Yes, WADA!
That is always the case that is why I bring up that its a cat and mouse game. WADA is always a step behind. When they catch up, they catch some and others need to change it up or else get caught too.
I told you already about Floyd ...
1. Did you find out when he gave the partial sample?
2. If delaying is such a big deal, why does WADA allow delaying?
3. Was it ever documented that he delayed for all 11 of the urine tests?
4. How do you delay a blood test?
LMAOOOOO!
2. If delaying is such a big deal, why does WADA allow delaying?
3. Was it ever documented that he delayed for all 11 of the urine tests?
4. How do you delay a blood test?
LMAOOOOO!
1. After a delay, he gave urine before and after the IV. It was not sufficient, remember? So it had to be mixed with urine that was more dilute.
2. WADA does not allow delays except for certain situations but not to go bet on a game and the lie about IV .... Floyd abused it by saying that he cannot urinate.
3. Stop being naive. You delay when you are caught in a bad situation where you are not sure that you can pass a test. So you delay.
4. Admitting that you are naive. Great!
WADA:
"Important: Blood Samples should not be collected within 2 hours of training or Competition where ABP Testing is to be conducted or within 30 min of training or Competition where the analysis for Growth Hormone (GH) is to be conducted."
So Floyd is training and see the DCO, he doesn't stop training until there is a long delay .... then they need to wait another 2 hours!!!! KABOOOM!
If I remember correctly, Floyd did that to the DCOs when they came during the Mosley fight.
So Floyd delayed for 2 urine tests and one blood test that we know of. Are my numbers correct?
Ok, so if I'm understanding this correctly, your answer is that he passed these other tests without the IV by delaying.
LMAOOOO.
Follow up question: Can you delay a blood test?
Follow up question 2: If you have to delay to pass a test, what do you think will show up on the ABP?
Where the **** are you getting this "delaying is the number 1 way to pass a test bullshlt. It makes no ****ing sense. So he was so worried about failing that he needed an IV, yet he passed all of these other tests simply by knowing he can delay. You said yourself that detection time was 12-18 hours. So each time he made sure there was a delay of at least 18 hours? Do you see how much of a moron you are???
I'd love to have you be drug tested for a period of about 2 months and always be able to delay giving urine for 18 hours between taking something, you idiot.
LMAOOOO.
Follow up question: Can you delay a blood test?
Follow up question 2: If you have to delay to pass a test, what do you think will show up on the ABP?
KABOOOOOOOM :P
Where the **** are you getting this "delaying is the number 1 way to pass a test bullshlt. It makes no ****ing sense. So he was so worried about failing that he needed an IV, yet he passed all of these other tests simply by knowing he can delay. You said yourself that detection time was 12-18 hours. So each time he made sure there was a delay of at least 18 hours? Do you see how much of a moron you are???
I'd love to have you be drug tested for a period of about 2 months and always be able to delay giving urine for 18 hours between taking something, you idiot.
Idiot? I need to explain to you that you can delay a blood test .... so who is the naive idioto? KABOOOM!!!

Often its 12-18 but it can be less. Go read what Hamilton said! There is a period where USADA does not come knocking on the door(11pm-6am). That is already 7 hours long. You dilute and delay like FLoyd did, then that would be enough to get you a pass! KABOOOM!
Moron or naive, take your pick. I guess you have more reading to do on this subject!!!
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO. DUDE. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO POST THIS?
IV infusions before sample collection could actually prolong the doping control sample process because it has a greater potential to produce multiple dilute samples.
ADMIT YOU ARE WRONGGGGGG!
IV infusions before sample collection could actually prolong the doping control sample process because it has a greater potential to produce multiple dilute samples.
ADMIT YOU ARE WRONGGGGGG!
SO you got that finally now and I showed you that even when the dilute urine sample has a passable SG level, the PED substance can be below the threshold level .... but for you to get this part will be a bit too much for you!

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO! DUDEEEEEE. THE SAMPLES, WHEN MIXED, ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE DILUTED!!!!!! YOU ARE FAILING THIS PROOF, I SEE. LMAOOOO!
Its simple. You have less than sufficient ... maybe half a glass of orange juice and you add a glass of water with a bit of orange mixed in. Do you have more or less concentration of orange juice?
Ok now pretend that is PEDs. One with potentially just above the threshold levels mixed in with urine sample that is below the threshold level and voila!! Invalid test!
but as I said, the delays could have been enough. The IV and the rest of it was just an added bonus to be extra sure!
.... but for you to get this part will be a bit too much for you!

HE...WITNESSED....MAYWEATHER'S....PHYSICAL.....CON DITION...THAT NECESITATED...THE IV.
You didn't answer the question. What does that mean to you?
By the way, a paramedic then showed up to administer the IV. A doctor filled out the TUE report. So...what exactly is your point? Oh yea, you don't have one. You are failinggggg!
You didn't answer the question. What does that mean to you?
By the way, a paramedic then showed up to administer the IV. A doctor filled out the TUE report. So...what exactly is your point? Oh yea, you don't have one. You are failinggggg!
You are the one that made it sound like a DCO can judge if Floyd's condition was more than moderate. I told you and WADA tells you that only a doctor can prescribe that.....
Doctor: Floyd is severely dehydrated.
DCO: OK, you are the doctor .... Oh yeah, I know what to do next, lets document this.
and I wonder if a real doctor was even there. Freaking USADA, who is not independent here, decides who gets investigated and lets their friend Floyd not get investigated.
Floyd thanked Dr Alex Ariza!!!
So let me get this straight. We all "witnessed" his vital signs and him drinking, blah blah blah, yet when the DCO witnesses his need for an IV....he isn't a doctor.
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LMAOOOOOO. THIS IS FUN. KEEP MURDERING YOURSELF, CLOWN. I'M REALLY ENJOYING THIS!
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LMAOOOOOO. THIS IS FUN. KEEP MURDERING YOURSELF, CLOWN. I'M REALLY ENJOYING THIS!
The DCO was there all that time with Floyd including when he signed the pre-fight form where he was discussing it out loud and when he went to visit the NSAC doctor. At least that is what USADA said.
So the DCO was there while Floyd was saying all is good medically and witnessed the examination and that went well and heard and saw the NSAC doctor who signed off OK to Floyd's condition being good enough to fight. The DCO witnessed all that. DCO also witnessed Floyd drinking adequately and being able to drink.
He was there during that whole delay. Yet, Floyd's doctor Ariza or whoever says he needs an IV and the DCO does NOT question all that? Kinda strange indeed.
Is there an actual point here? Nope, I didn't think so, but thought I'd ask. Are you trying to say that Floyd can't be dehydrated because he doesn't rehydrate 20-30lbs?
.....You're an imbecile.
.....You're an imbecile.
"Dehydration occurs when you lose more fluid than you take in, and your body doesn't have enough water and other fluids to carry out its normal functions. If you don't replace lost fluids, you will get dehydrated." How do you fix mild to moderate dehydration? "by drinking more fluids, but severe dehydration needs immediate medical treatment."
So its by losing fluids which in turn means you are losing weight.
Floyd said why he needed an IV, right? You keep on deflecting away but its because of:
giving urine,
OK so Floyd exercised. Possible to lose by way of sweating and get dehydrated due to that BUT he admits to doing just a bit of exercise and it was the day before!!!! Plus he weighed in just like he always does. Around 146lbs!!!!
How do they calculate mild, moderate and severe dehydration? Clinically, Floyd was not really dehydrated if you take into account that he drank adequately after the weigh in!!!
Lets check Floyd's weight and vital signs against this ... lol! Like I thought, not even clinically dehydrated!

How many times are you going to lie? I want the quotation. Give me the quotation where, as you state above, the head of the WADA TUE Committee says Floyd should not have received an IV. Really. Post it. If you post it...you win! It's very simple.
But...if you can't post it...then I have to call you out for giving false information again. I think that's fair, don't you?
But...if you can't post it...then I have to call you out for giving false information again. I think that's fair, don't you?
Reading the below, most would get that the head of the WADA TUE Committee was saying that USADA should not have given a RETRO TUE if Floyd was able to drink fluids. You agree? and we both saw that Floyd drank adequately after the weigh-in and clinically speaking, was Floyd ever really dehydrated after drinking at the weigh in? Nope! Well at least not to the point of requiring an IV!!!
WARNING: Below is cringe worthy if you are a Floyd fan:
"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is a murky world.
"When it comes to RETRO TUEs".
Made only when you do not have enough time to apply, lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY).
Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."
"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."
Instead Before the IV we saw Floyd drinking adequately (no problems) and just after the IV, Floyd was miraculously able to drink, eat and say he was a happy camper and had advantages over others who dehydrate 20-30lbs!
wowww.
1. Lance was ripped a new ******* by....wait for it...USADA. Delaying doesn't make someone a cheat, you moron.
2. Lance did not get a TUE from USADA that was then sent to WADA. Good try, though.
3. Lance did NOT declare the IV ahead of time and then have a USADA representative with him while having the IV. Good try, though.
4. Again, should we throw out VADA testing when boxers or promoters pay for it. Damn. And I actually thought Donaire was a good dude for doing that year round testing. I guess according to you, it's all for nothing. LMAO. Idiot. Oh yea, and Pacquiao too. Those VADA tests...hmm. VADA must have been in pocket right? RIGHT???? RIGHTTTTTTTTTTT?
5. Your posts don't smell right to me. You are failing your proof. Are you going to keep trying, or do you give up?
1. Lance was ripped a new ******* by....wait for it...USADA. Delaying doesn't make someone a cheat, you moron.
2. Lance did not get a TUE from USADA that was then sent to WADA. Good try, though.
3. Lance did NOT declare the IV ahead of time and then have a USADA representative with him while having the IV. Good try, though.
4. Again, should we throw out VADA testing when boxers or promoters pay for it. Damn. And I actually thought Donaire was a good dude for doing that year round testing. I guess according to you, it's all for nothing. LMAO. Idiot. Oh yea, and Pacquiao too. Those VADA tests...hmm. VADA must have been in pocket right? RIGHT???? RIGHTTTTTTTTTTT?
5. Your posts don't smell right to me. You are failing your proof. Are you going to keep trying, or do you give up?
Declare is different than having an approved TUE. Floyd used a banned method
then
Floyd got his doctor to write up a doctor's note 20 days after the fight and USADA accepted that. Lance got one too from his doctor and that was accepted too.
It does NOT matter who it is. If VADA has a close relationship like Floyd has with USADA, you bet. Who says? The head of the WADA TUE Committee!!!!!
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