Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: In The Eyes of The People - I Beat Floyd Mayweather

[travestyny]

I know what you are saying. The question was do you agree with what I stated. I'm presuming that you are agreeing. Right?

What you disagree is with what you stated. Again, I understand what you are thinking.

If the study says that particular subject can go from 340 to 47 in an hour, then I don't have a reason to reject that. Is that what you want to know?

[ADP02]

If the study says that particular subject can go from 340 to 47 in an hour, then I don't have a reason to reject that. Is that what you want to know?

Yes that is what I wanted to know.

So just like the other studies that I previously showed you (45 minutes) and now that you have agreed, so why did Floyd need an IV if you can see that it's more than possible to rehydrate yourself quickly by just drinking fluids? Remember that Subject F went from one spectrum to the complete other spectrum.

BUT all that Floyd had to be was hydrated enough so that he was OK. Meaning he could have been even slightly dehydrated and he would have been OK:

Just for the kicks, lets say Floyd was dehydrated at lets say Cr = 300. Shouldn't he have been OK in less than 1 hour after drinking fluids?

Remember there was nothing stopping Floyd from drinking even before the weigh in as long as he made weight and he made weight EASILY. He was actually 1lb under so the room was there.

Plus we both know that Floyd was NOT severely dehydrated. I would call it very mild given the weight that he came in but lets say its a bit more and for the kicks, a lot more like Subject F..... he did it in 1 hour!!!


So as you can see, Floyd should have been OK. Its not like he was in the middle of a marathon.

[travestyny]

Yes that is what I wanted to know.

So just like the other studies that I previously showed you (45 minutes) and now that you have agreed, so why did Floyd need an IV if you can see that it's more than possible to rehydrate yourself quickly by just drinking fluids? Remember that Subject F went from one spectrum to the complete other spectrum.

BUT all that Floyd had to be was hydrated enough so that he was OK. Meaning he could have been even slightly dehydrated and he would have been OK:

Just for the kicks, lets say Floyd was dehydrated at lets say Cr = 300. Shouldn't he have been OK in less than 1 hour after drinking fluids?

Remember there was nothing stopping Floyd from drinking even before the weigh in as long as he made weight and he made weight EASILY. He was actually 1lb under so the room was there.

Plus we both know that Floyd was NOT severely dehydrated. I would call it very mild given the weight that he came in but lets say its a bit more and for the kicks, a lot more like Subject F..... he did it in 1 hour!!!


So as you can see, Floyd should have been OK. Its not like he was in the middle of a marathon.

As I've stated before, WADA has confirmed that an IV may be used to rehydrate. WADA has also said that in certain situations, an IV may be more appropriate than oral rehydration. As far as I know, WADA hasn't listed all of the situations where an IV is more appropriate, and we don't have access to Mayweather's medical report.

What's probably most important to USADA is knowing that Mayweather was clean. His urine sample was not diluted, and there were no drugs found to be in his system. Therefore, I don't see what the problem is. I don't know what his medical condition was that called for the IV. It's impossible for any of us to know that.

What I feel confident in is that he was found to not be abusing any PED's and that seems clear to me since he passed all previous tests and the tests the next day. They took a sample from him before and after the IV, which they wouldn't have done if they were trying to help him to cheat. Your conspiracy theory about him abusing PED's just has too many holes in it to be true.

[ADP02]

As I've stated before, WADA has confirmed that an IV may be used to rehydrate. WADA has also said that in certain situations, an IV may be more appropriate than oral rehydration. As far as I know, WADA hasn't listed all of the situations where an IV is more appropriate, and we don't have access to Mayweather's medical report.

What's probably most important to USADA is knowing that Mayweather was clean. His urine sample was not diluted, and there were no drugs found to be in his system. Therefore, I don't see what the problem is. I don't know what his medical condition was that called for the IV. It's impossible for any of us to know that.

What I feel confident in is that he was found to not be abusing any PED's and that seems clear to me since he passed all previous tests and the tests the next day. They took a sample from him before and after the IV, which they wouldn't have done if they were trying to help him to cheat. Your conspiracy theory about him abusing PED's just has too many holes in it to be true.

What WADA confirms is:
The majority of cases should be treated with fluids and eating. In an emergency type situation, WADA accepts an IV where the person is severely dehydrated and has no time or cannot drink up or the possibility of hyponatremia in which you even now agreed with Nick Diaz that it's crazy talk!

BUT the above was NOT Floyd's case.

Time permitted for that(ie. rehydrating by way of fluids) and we saw Floyd drinking adequately BEFORE the IV. Vital signs were all perfectly normal. So unless Floyd went and ran a marathon after the weigh-in, Floyd was on his way to being rehydrated about 45 minutes after he drank his fluids after the weigh in. You are in agreement that rehydration to an acceptable level occurs quickly.


WADA
"It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature."


So as I told you and you now agree, Floyd could have just drank fluids and 45 minutes later would have been rehydrated or in more severe cases, close to rehydrated. Subject F went from one extreme to another in 1 hour. In Floyd's case, he didn't have to go to those extremes. So then Floyd could have rehydrated in less than 1 hour. Floyd had what, 6 hours to rehydrate? It just does NOT add up no matter how you look at this.




USADA went to see athletes (UFC) to let them know that IV use after weigh-ins are banned. USADA knows that those athletes that they went and talk to were for the most part MUCH MORE DEHYDRATED THAN FLOYD WAS!!! Even Floyd admits to that right after getting the IV. So they cannot but Floyd can?


"I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148... I'm extremely happy with everything undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who invited FightHype.com into his home less than 24 hours before he steps into the ring to face Manny Pacquiao"

The above was said just after getting an IV!!!!

[daggum]

What WADA confirms is:
The majority of cases should be treated with fluids and eating. In an emergency type situation, WADA accepts an IV where the person is severely dehydrated and has no time or cannot drink up or the possibility of hyponatremia in which you even now agreed with Nick Diaz that it's crazy talk!

BUT the above was NOT Floyd's case.

Time permitted for that(ie. rehydrating by way of fluids) and we saw Floyd drinking adequately BEFORE the IV. Vital signs were all perfectly normal. So unless Floyd went and ran a marathon after the weigh-in, Floyd was on his way to being rehydrated about 45 minutes after he drank his fluids after the weigh in. You are in agreement that rehydration to an acceptable level occurs quickly.


WADA
"It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature."


So as I told you and you now agree, Floyd could have just drank fluids and 45 minutes later would have been rehydrated or in more severe cases, close to rehydrated. Subject F went from one extreme to another in 1 hour. In Floyd's case, he didn't have to go to those extremes. So then Floyd could have rehydrated in less than 1 hour. Floyd had what, 6 hours to rehydrate? It just does NOT add up no matter how you look at this.




USADA went to see athletes (UFC) to let them know that IV use after weigh-ins are banned. USADA knows that those athletes that they went and talk to were for the most part MUCH MORE DEHYDRATED THAN FLOYD WAS!!! Even Floyd admits to that right after getting the IV. So they cannot but Floyd can?


"I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148... I'm extremely happy with everything undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who invited FightHype.com into his home less than 24 hours before he steps into the ring to face Manny Pacquiao"

it was an emergency. floyd had dropped 3 pounds in a week. death was close by.

[Larry the boss]

I see that you are avoiding Lederman's score of the Castillo fight. Lederman and Floyd were both on HBO back then.


Are you accepting both then?

You are the one trying to use different networks as an excuse..that excuse wont work in this fight..find a new one

[ADP02]

it was an emergency. floyd had dropped 3 pounds in a week. death was close by.

Yup, it was an emergency for Floyd but for different reasons. He was trying to avoid (DELAY) as much as possible and then got a hold of an IV.


After the weigh-in Floyd drank enough to get himself rehydrated as we all saw. Like you said, luckily Floyd got that IV or else there would be no fight. A true emergency, a true miracle in he didn't even require to be rushed to a hospital .... we are lucky that Floyd is still alive.

Floyd thanked miracle worker, Alez Ariza .... Phew!




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[ADP02]

You are the one trying to use different networks as an excuse..that excuse wont work in this fight..find a new one

Sorry but that guys score from Showtime is NOT a credible one to have listed no matter what. The guy was biased for sure but not someone that I would have relied upon to provide me his scores on a fight. Let alone someone who you know was biased and there were a few on your list. Lederman was not biased and proved it. While I disagreed with his score, he felt that way and was objective which is acceptable by me. That is the difference.


So you are saying that Lederman was right when he had Castillo winning? Or is he right only when its for Floyd?


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[RussB23]

Manny just let it go. You arent better than mayweather.

[Kigali]

Yup, it was an emergency for Floyd but for different reasons. He was trying to avoid (DELAY) as much as possible and then got a hold of an IV.


After the weigh-in Floyd drank enough to get himself rehydrated as we all saw. Like you said, luckily Floyd got that IV or else there would be no fight. A true emergency, a true miracle in he didn't even require to be rushed to a hospital .... we are lucky that Floyd is still alive.

Floyd thanked miracle worker, Alez Ariza .... Phew!




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Such a hateful little midget.