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Originally posted by Mr.MojoRisin' View PostNow I know that you haven't done your research. You must be new to the sport...
Boxing has been under traditional rules since 1892. That doesn't mean boxing was founded in 1892, that just means that instead of fighting each rd until someone went down they fought for 3 minutes with 1 minute of rest. From the film I have seen, it was actually around Dempsey's time that fighters started to get more modern in their pacing and stance.
So what percent of fighters employ shifting in their game today? How many of them are masters of feinting in order to put their opponent out of position? How many fighters today use the Bob and Weave? How many of them throw 6 inch knockout punches?How many have mastered the art of inside fighting?
I guarantee you that you won't use more than 1 hand to count the amount who do even one of those things. Guess what, Dempsey and fighters from his era did ALL of those things.
Are you really going to tell me that Benny Leonard wouldn't be at least a champ today? That Harry Greb wouldn't be a threat today? Fitz? Langford? Tunney? C'mon, get outta here with that BS.
Sorry but that's the truth.
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Originally posted by Rovi View PostThere have been empires of Romans, Persians, Macedons, Ottomans... They fought good, destroyed armies and were great for their times but you cannot match their armies up even with some Banana or Island republics of today.
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Originally posted by robertzimmerman View PostMore ignorance.
Again, I invite you to look at today's HW division in more detail.
Today, we have a champion in Wilder who has poor coordination, who struggles against C class guys, who needs his great power as a get out of jail card.
Again, look at the top 20 guys, and then come back and tell me that Jack couldn't have beaten some of them with his attributes.
Read this: TOO SMALLAscended likes this.
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Originally posted by Mr.MojoRisin' View PostNow I know that you haven't done your research. You must be new to the sport...
Boxing has been under traditional rules since 1892. That doesn't mean boxing was founded in 1892, that just means that instead of fighting each rd until someone went down they fought for 3 minutes with 1 minute of rest. From the film I have seen, it was actually around Dempsey's time that fighters started to get more modern in their pacing and stance.
So what percent of fighters employ shifting in their game today? How many of them are masters of feinting in order to put their opponent out of position? How many fighters today use the Bob and Weave? How many of them throw 6 inch knockout punches?How many have mastered the art of inside fighting?
I guarantee you that you won't use more than 1 hand to count the amount who do even one of those things. Guess what, Dempsey and fighters from his era did ALL of those things.
Are you really going to tell me that Benny Leonard wouldn't be at least a champ today? That Harry Greb wouldn't be a threat today? Fitz? Langford? Tunney? C'mon, get outta here with that BS.
Sorry but that's the truth.
Sorry but that's real truth.Last edited by Boxing Goat; 06-28-2017, 10:26 PM.Ascended likes this.
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Originally posted by robertzimmerman View PostThe 190 that he weighed was almost all muscle, with hardly any body fat. That was also on a 6'1 frame, with a 77" reach. You can't label him as just being a modern day LHW. He would more than likely have been a CW today.
Saying he was just too small to have been competitive is completely ignorant.
He would have struggled today against the much bigger elite HW's. However, take a look at today's top 50 HW's. I guarantee you you won't even have heard of half of them.
He would have had a shot at beating most of the top 20 HW's. List them and watch footage of them. Outside of the elite, the HW division isn't that strong. Jack had the size and the style to have beaten a lot of guys today.
If Mike Tyson had fought in the 40's, would you be saying that there's no way he would have been able to have competed with today's guys because he was too small? Jack Dempsey wasn't particularly small, and if today's HW's were in the shape that he was in, many of them wouldn't be weighing 230 plus. And like Mike proved time and again, the right blend of size and style can overcome even huge disparities in size.
Are you really dumb enough to think he would beat Wlad, Joshua, Wilder or Fury even?
No way.Ascended likes this.
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Originally posted by Boxing Goat View PostWilder would kill Dempsey as would anyone in the top 20. You call me ignorant? Dempsey was too small and his defense was nil so I think you're ignorant.
Read this: TOO SMALL
His sparring partners were better than Wilder.
Marciano would f.uck him up even worse.
Beontay Wilder, Cassius Clay, Lummox Lewis etc would all be easy work For the Rock.
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Originally posted by robertzimmerman View PostSo much ignorance.
Why are you so obsessed with weight?
A lot of today's guys aren't in shape.
Don't tell me a ripped guy weighing just under 200 pounds, with a bob and weave style, with speed and power, couldn't trouble SOME of today's top 20 HW's.
You're kidding yourself.
Maybe you can surpass Mr.steele above who is using a fat out of shape past prime Johnson as a showcase for how good Willard was ( even though JJ threw the fight..lol)!Last edited by juggernaut666; 06-28-2017, 11:16 PM.
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