Jack Dempsey vs Today's Heavyweights

[robertzimmerman]

Lol @ dempsey beating the likes of wlad and joshua.

I roll my eyes whenever a young boxing fan tries to praise these fighters from the 1920s as if they were actually there to experience the whole thing.. im not going to judge a fighter off these black and white 10 minute clips off youtube. I need to see a few fights in full and with clarity.

It makes me chuckle when a fairly young fan talks about Jack Johnson or gene tunney like they understand these fighters inside and out. Reading old articles or listening to what your grandfather told you isnt good enough. One had to actually live in the moment to know ...

Anyway, Amir Mansour would wipe the floor with dempsey

So you won't judge Dempsey on the clips and reports we have to hand, and you'll also laugh at the notion that he could have beaten Joshua, despite the fact that as yet, Joshua has done nothing?

If Mike Tyson had been active in the 50's, you clowns would now be saying:

"He was too small. He'd get crushed by today's guys. He wouldn't last 3 rounds with anybody"


Mike has proven to us all that certain skills and styles can overcome huge disparities in size.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

An outstanding post Ray.

A real pleasure to read.

Some of these guys are so ignorant.

So it's ignorant to have a different opinion?. I'm a realist, I don't care about ancient newspaper reports and myths passed down from generations. You nostalgic fans are the real bigots because you're unwilling to listen to different views and you're stuck in your dogmatic ways.

I'm bringing out the best in Ray not like wacky Elroy who just degraded the older generation sometimes just for the sake of it. & YES Floyd Mayweather is better than Sugar Ray Robinson if you take into account the FOOTAGE available and not just hear say.

[robertzimmerman]

Too small for current heavyweights he'd get eaten up against them I think he'd be a top 5 LHW thought.

Ha!

How would Mike Tyson have done against today's HW's?

[robertzimmerman]

Im a middle aged man whose been into boxing hardcore since the 80s.

Ive seen all those old videos countless times and based on the eyeball test, Dempsey doesnt have much hope against these modern HWs.

Really?

I'd have another look at today's top 15 HW's if I were you.

[robertzimmerman]

Size... 175 is LHW under 200 is cruiserweight but most cruiserweights weigh about 210-220 they cut a good bit of weight before weigh-in.
Its pretty simple, Jack wouldn't beat a mobile 250lbs guy because he's be absolutely rag dolled inside the clinch or even just up close.

Rag dolled?

Just stop.

[robertzimmerman]

Great f'ing post!

What was great about it?

Why couldn't Dempsey have beaten Joshua?

[robertzimmerman]

He had a style advantage.

Speed looks about equal.

Impossible to say whether he punched harder or not, for a number of reasons.

Thing is, that's all by the by. No one would give Kovalev a chance in hell of dominating the heavyweight division yet Dempsey, who was more or less the same dimensions, has all sorts of arguments spun up around him to justify his beating men he has substantial physical disadvantages over.

Sometimes a bit of common sense is needed here.

Jack looks faster to me, and he was more explosive.

Jack beat much bigger guys than Kov at HW. There's your common sense.

He also had a bob and weave style to get inside.

Kovalev's style wouldn't be suited to the HW division. He's more of a boxer than a fighter.

[robertzimmerman]

I hold my Grandfather and all World War 2 veterans in high esteem. But guess what? If you pit them h2h against any of the armed forces of today, Navy or Infantry, they'd be nothing but cannon fodder.
Mayweather is absolutely better than SRR technically if we're talking about looking at the footage available to us. I'm saying this as a person who ranks SRR No1 p4p because I acknowledge he's a trailblazer and his career. To say he moves better than Floyd? Posses a higher ring IQ? Throws a punch better technique wise?.

Dempsey would have 0 chance vs Super HWs Lewis onwards. Zero. He's a Cruiser, if that. He'd be rendered unconscious by these big boys that can actually Box. I have to emphasize the point this generations 'OAFS' can actually Box much better than the lumbering figures of Willard ND Co.

Coach Ray, Floyd would be your model student, would he not?.

P. S I friggin miss Elroy. That was prime History section.



Well Lennox Lewis is a career long Boxer who as a teenager/young Adult picked up a Golden Medal in the Olympic Games and then transitioned into the FULL TIME pro ranks. He then became unified champion beating the **** out of Tyson who was a supposed reincarnation of Dempsey. Don't tell me about a 6 ft 1 bouncer (if true) when you have Lewis and Soviet produced Wlad. Don't let me get into the soviet system.
You know the mini empire that nurtured talented children to become world class athletes (in some cases by hook or by crook).
We also have second generation Boxers now most famous and talented being Floyd. Eubank Jr being next up.

Quit spit shining Ray he doesn't need a little kid speaking on behalf of him.



He's not a HW by today's standard. He'd probably get a fight sanctioned here in England because we've got Bellew vs Haye but he'd 100% get knocked out. & to all you people saying height & weight doesn't mean anything in a limitless division, then you lack common sense.



B level competition? Isaac Chilemba would make anybody look bad from that era solely because of SKILL & TECHNIQUE. Isaac would have been a GOD those days. Have you actually watched the footage of those old fighters?. Usyk made mince meat of Isaac.

300 fight careers? Jack Dempsey had fights on par with Wladimir & B hop, give or take a few. This what you old crowd do, you just make up garbage and repeat mythological stories bandied about by the outdated closed press who made these fighters out to be something they're not.
Firpo and Willard didn't have 80 fights between them. These were the super HWs Dempsey dispatched. You have the audacity to compare these guys to the likes of Wladimir and Lewis, Gold medalist before becoming unified champions.

Don't just throw around that 300 fight bullcrap especially when debating with me mate that's unfounded rubbish. You actually think a 1915-1930 HW has a chance in hell these days?. Boxing hardcore are panning out to be very fickle when you scratch the surface.

Wow!

This has to be one of the most ignorant posts I've ever read on here.

[robertzimmerman]

Fantastic post.

**** me!

It was absolutely garbage!

[robertzimmerman]

As much as i want to give the old guys a chance , as many have stated its about nostalgia , if we are talking talent wise then if Jack was born as he was in our era he if might become an ATG in his weight class due to talent , but if you teleport (as ppl suggest) him to today he will get massacred , look at Soccer for example , the game hasn't changed its basics but if you believe that Pele (the greatest soccer player of all time) can just teleport to our era and be the best player you need a wakeup call , its always relative comparisons to me , the only argument you can make in behalf of the last century boxers is that the talented athletes are not going to boxing anymore (they go NFL/NBA/ whatever) and we get the less talented guys now days and in turn they might be competitive , but as someone else said before , if we still get the same crop of talent then progress is to take into account and it has big impact , as i stated before take a look at an NBA/NFL/Soccer/Tennis games (most popular sports) if you believe that the old legends can just come over and compete you are delusional, note that in ALL of those games the game is simple and basic yet progress was made even if you might see the similarities its a different game all together.

Boxing cannot be compared to any other sport.

If you were to teleport Jack into today's HW division, he would beat a fair few guys based on his attributes.

Mike Tyson was smaller than Dempsey.

Stand him face to face with a HW today, and he would be dwarfed in terms of height, reach and weight. Yet if you possessed any knowledge of the sport, you'd realise that Mike would have blazed through most of today's top 15 guys, because styles and skills can overcome even huge disparities in size.