Jack Dempsey vs Today's Heavyweights

[Sheldon312]

I totally agree, unfortunately some peoples sentiments cloud their judgments. I respect his achievements & yes he was a great in that era but at this level he couldn't cope.

So does Keith beat sugar Ray Robinson?

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Regarding Dempsey being square on, it's similar to you not posting the videos. Boxing was what it was back then. Every fight I've seen contains numerous moments of him square on exchanging punches, so it would be pointless me picking just one fight.

Fighters pivot more than shift. Shifting is considered a lost art to some but rigid to others. Think of a square or circle. Shifting enables you to go left or right of the circle/square, while pivoting enables you to go round the full square/circle.

I disagree with all of your points you bullet pointed because I could assign a Boxer from the modern era who possessed better traits than any Boxers from Dempseys era. Feint, parry, head movement. This era may not do it as much but with the technique & efficiency elite Boxers throw their punches they sure as hell move their head, parry & feint better. When the talent pool isn't as good as yourself it's easy to display these 'skills' & look like a Boxing God in the process.

Pivoting and shifting are not the same thing...or even related. Shifting is changing from orthodox to southpaw momentarily to not be caught off guard. Pivoting is something a fighter does to get a different angle or to retreat to safety. You can't say "well I can either pivot or shift here which is it going to be?" It doesn't work like that, both are for different situations. Golovkin is the only fighter today that shifts and he doesn't to help cut off the ring and it works wonders.

Why do I have to go on youtube and post fights? Do you honestly not know how to find them or are you just "playing dumb". By me not posting a video that takes you less than 30 seconds to find and click on, doesn't remotely proves your point. It only makes it harder for yourself to reach a logical conclusion.

I just want to see what you are talking about because I have never seen a Dempsey fight where he just flat out lets his opponent hit him. I've literally watched all of his fights dozens of times on .25 speed just to makes sure I don't miss anything he or his opponent does.

Please name these fighters who do all of those things better than the fighters in Dempsey's era.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Jack Dempsey, no defense against a 6'2" windmiller.

Vs

Deontay Wilder, the 6'7" Master Windmiller.

Two can play at this. Let the cherry picking begin.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Examples of good defense against multiple opponents
Against Brennan:

https://streamable.com/g4qb2

https://streamable.com/3z6wr

Against Firpo:

https://streamable.com/rsadw

Against Willard:
https://streamable.com/nckog (slipping to the inside and firing off a left hook JUST like Tyson)

https://streamable.com/xghnj

Against Sharkey:

https://streamable.com/egca0

https://streamable.com/52224

Against Tunney(faster and more accurate than any fighter today):

https://streamable.com/pv57l

https://streamable.com/8cllw

https://streamable.com/8els5 (Good luck discrediting that one)
https://streamable.com/23p9a (Gets caught with a great left hook and still has great defense)

[Mr.MojoRisin']

I could understand if someone used the arguement of evolution for basketball and football. I don't see how in hell you could say the same thing for boxing. Boxers back in the day just seemed more fundementally sound. I mean look at Crawford, he has skills, but would he be top 5 P4P in an era with Wilfred, Duran, Oscar, Tito, Jones, Mayweather, Prime Pac, Tszu? I think not.

Precisely

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Jack Dempsey wouldnt beat Toney Bellew..

How do you think Ward does against Bellew?

[robertzimmerman]

You cant take anything further you dont have the marbles too do that .

You stated Wilder is garbage however at 6'7 and 5 oz gloves on (the same size he wore against FIRPO who knocked him out of the ring and down before that ) he would be Dempeys most dangerous opponent with much more power and speed than back in those days for anyone hovering over 6'5 . Firpo was a 6'2 215 average talent though better skilled than any SHW THEN....see you just dont get it .

Dempey would be lucky to hit a top 50 spot today and if you cant see that than its a waste of my time which pretty much sums up this entire thread .

Nobody has said Wilder wouldn't have been a dangerous opponent.

Wilder is dangerous against anybody because he's probably the most powerful HW in the world.

If Wilder had fought Dempsey and caught him flush, he'd have been out for a long time.

The issue I have, is that you think it's a given that Dempsey couldn't even compete with any of today's HW's. And considering that B and C class HW's have troubled Wilder, and that guys like Breazeale and Ruiz Jnr are in the current top 10, then that line of thinking is completely ignorant.

Look at today's top 20 HW's.

I'll list them if you want.

If you don't think that Dempsey could have beaten SOME of them, then you're clueless.

[juggernaut666]

Nobody has said Wilder wouldn't have been a dangerous opponent.

Wilder is dangerous against anybody, because he's probably the most powerful HW in the world.

If Wilder had fought Dempsey and caught him flush, he'd have been out for a long time.

The issue I have, is that you think it's a given that Dempsey couldn't even compete with any of today's HW's. And considering that B and C class HW's have troubled Wilder, and that guys like Breazeale and Ruiz Jnr are on the current top 10, then that line of thinking is completely ignorant.

Look at today's top 20 HW's.

I'll list them if you want.

If you don't think that Dempsey could have beaten SOME of them, then you're clueless.

you dont have to list anything for me posters have even included actual footage of all the wrong things and unpolished skills of Dempsey ,yet you and mojo who himself has no logic at all on here are the ones fighting VIDEO footage?Fools do that dont they?

[robertzimmerman]

I'm not going to say any more about this after this comment.

It's clear you're set in your opinion and I think you're ignorant so not much else to say. Wilder would literally KILL anyone from those times in the ring, incl. Willard and Dempsey. With Dempsey's defense and Wilders power and size it literally would not be competitive for a second. You think he's uncoordinated but look at his reflexes and how he's never been knocked down. You need to think again. That's one bad dude and you are badly under ranking him.

I noticed how you haven't said a word about Joshua and Klitschko

You know what's up. This is simply a new era of athletes and they're far, far superior to 100 years ago.

The end.

More laughable ignorance.

I did mention AJ and Wlad. I said they were big and skilled. Wilder isn't.

Wilder would literally kill those HW's?

Literally?

You know what the word "literally" means, right?

This is a guy who had a laboured win over a B class, out of shape Stiverne, and who looked like **** against Duhaupas, going 11 rounds with him, before also going 9 rounds with Arreola.

Wilder has the power to knock out ANYBODY. Sure, he could have taken out Dempsey had he have gotten the opportunity. But Dempsey's style would have been an issue for him. And if you think that Dempsey would be killed by guys like Ruiz Jnr and Breazeale, then I'm not going to waste another second on you.

I bet you couldn't even name today's top 25 HW's.

If you think they would all have murdered Dempsey then you're an embarrassment.

We'll leave it there.

It's completely pointless taking it any further.

[nacho daddy]

h2h or strength of resume ?!?!?

h2h, these newer hws are bigger, stronger and technically better. strength of resume.....ali, holy, bowe, lennox, k2 and even ruiz have resumes no b/w era hw can match.

how many of current HW's are juiced? Dempsey and Marciano at under 190 lbs drug free were the strongest hardest punchers at their weight that ever stepped in the ring