Jack Dempsey vs Today's Heavyweights

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

Pivoting and shifting are not the same thing...or even related. Shifting is changing from orthodox to southpaw momentarily to not be caught off guard. Pivoting is something a fighter does to get a different angle or to retreat to safety. You can't say "well I can either pivot or shift here which is it going to be?" It doesn't work like that, both are for different situations. Golovkin is the only fighter today that shifts and he doesn't to help cut off the ring and it works wonders.

Why do I have to go on youtube and post fights? Do you honestly not know how to find them or are you just "playing dumb". By me not posting a video that takes you less than 30 seconds to find and click on, doesn't remotely proves your point. It only makes it harder for yourself to reach a logical conclusion.

I just want to see what you are talking about because I have never seen a Dempsey fight where he just flat out lets his opponent hit him. I've literally watched all of his fights dozens of times on .25 speed just to makes sure I don't miss anything he or his opponent does.

Please name these fighters who do all of those things better than the fighters in Dempsey's era.

I've proved my point already. We're going round in full circle. Compared to now a days they're stiff & primitive. The video says it all, he was good for his time but a bum compared to today's standard.

Pivot beats the shift. It's not one or the other. GGG shifting is a myth that you're perpetuating. You're telling me the great Dempsey used this skill, then it was forgotten over time only to be revived by a Soviet system Fighter who received a Silver medal. So much nonsense you're spouting.

Are you telling me Toney then later Floyd didn't effectively parry & counter shots with their Philly Shell?. Again, fighters may have used that technique before hand but guess who refined & mastered it.

Heavyweights from now put Heavyweights from back then into a coma. & any elite Boxer from now a days would destroy any from Dempsey's era. The games evolved. If you can't accept it then YOU don't know what you're watching.

[Elroy The Great]

how many of current HW's are juiced? Dempsey and Marciano at under 190 lbs drug free were the strongest hardest punchers at their weight that ever stepped in the ring

how many arent

my opinion of rocky is well documented. he was a swell guy but.......

dempsey and rock can punch like maniacs but skills USUALLY trumps all

[robertzimmerman]

you dont have to list anything for me posters have even included actual footage of all the wrong things and unpolished skills of Dempsey ,yet you and mojo who himself has no logic at all on here are the ones fighting VIDEO footage?Fools do that dont they?

Unpolished skills?

Ha!

https://*************/watch?v=41XXzUQyOdQ

I'll tell you something, I think Deontay could beat Michael Phelps in the 100m freestyle.


What about some of the other top 20 HW's of today who you think would have killed Dempsey. Guys like the like Dominic Breazeale and Andy Ruiz Jnr? Are they masters of the sweet science??


Just admit it.

You've exaggerated.

Dempsey would have had a shot at beating many of today's top 20 guys.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

I've proved my point already. We're going round in full circle. Compared to now a days they're stiff & primitive. The video says it all, he was good for his time but a bum compared to today's standard.

Pivot beats the shift. It's not one or the other. GGG shifting is a myth that you're perpetuating. You're telling me the great Dempsey used this skill, then it was forgotten over time only to be revived by a Soviet system Fighter who received a Silver medal. So much nonsense you're spouting.

Are you telling me Toney then later Floyd didn't effectively parry & counter shots with their Philly Shell?. Again, fighters may have used that technique before hand but guess who refined & mastered it.

Heavyweights from now put Heavyweights from back then into a coma. & any elite Boxer from now a days would destroy any from Dempsey's era. The games evolved. If you can't accept it then YOU don't know what you're watching.

You haven't proved any point, you just keep throwing in random ad hominems like "Stiff and primitive". Provide video evidence that Dempsey was stiff and primitive compared to today's heavies.

Golovkin doesn't shift? Just about every single boxing fan will disagree with you there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vijD09_O8ek

Please watch that video.

The pivot doesn't beat the shift. They are two unrelated techniques. That's like me saying the jab beats the step back. It makes no sense. They are unrelated.

We're talking about heavyweight boxing and generalizations. Floyd and Toney are old school style fighters. Actually they are commonly noted as such so your argument is done there.

Explain how you refine parrying a punch? What more is there to it than slapping away your opponents fist? You have no argument.

Again, more ad hominems. You haven't provided any evidence to back up your claims, you just say that fighter A would lose to fighter B and your reasoning is they were primitive. If your argument had any proof to back it up then you would have posted it by now.

In real life arguments from guys like you don't get any attention and don't stand on there own. If we were in person I would have asked you to pull up, on the computer, laptop, or phone next to us, your video proof and you would have been forced to but on here we aren't face to face so it is easy to duck and post replies.

[NYG]

He was 6'1 so any good HW would beat him with distance and use their height advantage. Tyson Fury would completely embarass him and Wilder would knock his head off. Joshua looks like the one that would almost get KOd since he doesnt seem to know what he's doing in the ring as much but he would probably win. HW are much bigger and stronger today. 6'1 is like SMW, LHW size

[FinitoxDinamita]

How do you think Ward does against Bellew?

Ward beats both..

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Ward beats both..

Why does he beat both?

[-Kev-]

I've proved my point already. We're going round in full circle. Compared to now a days they're stiff & primitive. The video says it all, he was good for his time but a bum compared to today's standard.

Pivot beats the shift. It's not one or the other. GGG shifting is a myth that you're perpetuating. You're telling me the great Dempsey used this skill, then it was forgotten over time only to be revived by a Soviet system Fighter who received a Silver medal. So much nonsense you're spouting.

Are you telling me Toney then later Floyd didn't effectively parry & counter shots with their Philly Shell?. Again, fighters may have used that technique before hand but guess who refined & mastered it.

Heavyweights from now put Heavyweights from back then into a coma. & any elite Boxer from now a days would destroy any from Dempsey's era. The games evolved. If you can't accept it then YOU don't know what you're watching.

It's like watching old basketball games from the 1950s and 1960s, where the players were amazed when a black player dunked. It's obviously so much different now, you see the difference in athleticism in NBA players now compared to back then, it's a no contest.

Boxing is no different than basketball in that regard, athleticism today is different. Back in those times boxing was mostly white Americans, with Irish, Italians, ***ish who were poor, and some blacks sprinkled here and there of course. Boxing has always been a poor man's sport and those were the poor at the time. They dominated the sport just like whites dominated professional basketball in a certain era.

[Sheldon312]

It's like watching old basketball games from the 1950s and 1960s, where the players were amazed when a black player dunked. It's obviously so much different now, you see the difference in athleticism in NBA players now compared to back then, it's a no contest.

Boxing is no different than basketball in that regard, athleticism today is different. Back in those times boxing was mostly white Americans, with Irish, Italians, ***ish who were poor, and some blacks sprinkled here and there of course. Boxing has always been a poor man's sport and those were the poor at the time. They dominated the sport just like whites dominated professional basketball in a certain era.

So Keith Thurman beats Ray Robinson and Wilder beats Ali and Foreman?

[-Kev-]

So Keith Thurman beats Ray Robinson and Wilder beats Ali and Foreman?

Your sarcastic questions are irrelevant to the match ups in the discussion.

We are talking about boxers from the 1920s and you ask a question about boxers who are actually pretty modern. Robinson fought into the 60s, Ali into the early 80s, and Foreman the youngest one there became HW champ in the 90s.

At least try.