Has the PBC experiment failed?

[Larry the boss]

does haymon have more power and control now than he did two years ago? yes.

does haymon have more world champions than he had two years ago? yes.

is showtime more committed to boxing than they were two years ago? yes.

is showtime more committed to haymon than they were two years ago? yes.


is HBO's budget smaller than it was two years ago? yes.

are top rank, golden boy, K2, main events & roc nation forced to split that evaporating HBO pie with nowhere else to go? yes.


all you trolls keep crying month after month, year after year that PBC is failing, yet haymon's power continues to grow while HBO's power continues to shrink.

all you trolls keep inventing rumors about fighters leaving haymon, yet he has more world champions than ever before and dozens of prospects climbing up the rankings.


this thread is nothing more than lame propaganda with no basis in fact.

[GMAN SUPREME]

fans siding with networks and certain promoters is ruining boxing.. you would think all fans would be cheering PBC but there's people waiting to celebrate its demise. when you want your own sport to fail stop asking why is boxing being ran over by the UFC.

and you idiots siding with some shady manager are no different. hymie doesn't give **** about saving boxing

[GMAN SUPREME]

does haymon have more power and control now than he did two years ago? yes.

does haymon have more world champions than he had two years ago? yes.

is showtime more committed to boxing than they were two years ago? yes.

is showtime more committed to haymon than they were two years ago? yes.


is HBO's budget smaller than it was two years ago? yes.

are top rank, golden boy, K2, main events & roc nation forced to split that evaporating HBO pie with nowhere else to go? yes.


all you trolls keep crying month after month, year after year that PBC is failing, yet haymon's power continues to grow while HBO's power continues to shrink.

all you trolls keep inventing rumors about fighters leaving haymon, yet he has more world champions than ever before and dozens of prospects climbing up the rankings.


this thread is nothing more than lame propaganda with no basis in fact.

gaymon doesn't even have the power to get his guys fights which is why they are stuck on the shelf and complaining.

[Prince Madison]

does haymon have more power and control now than he did two years ago? yes.

does haymon have more world champions than he had two years ago? yes.

is showtime more committed to boxing than they were two years ago? yes.

is showtime more committed to haymon than they were two years ago? yes.


is HBO's budget smaller than it was two years ago? yes.

are top rank, golden boy, K2, main events & roc nation forced to split that evaporating HBO pie with nowhere else to go? yes.


all you trolls keep crying month after month, year after year that PBC is failing, yet haymon's power continues to grow while HBO's power continues to shrink.

all you trolls keep inventing rumors about fighters leaving haymon, yet he has more world champions than ever before and dozens of prospects climbing up the rankings.


this thread is nothing more than lame propaganda with no basis in fact.

Hes pissed away all the money he has invested, and showtime want more control over it now cause they dont trust him. Haymon didnt think long term, he was like a kid in the candy store throwing money around left right and centre. Now its coming back to bite him on the arse cause now these fighters expect big paydays for fighting bums. Now haymons not able to pay them, they want out. I also dont think hes been very good at promoting these fights at all, never seems to be much hype regarding these pbc fights, say what you will but he could learn a thing or too from eddie hearn in that respect.
Haymons had control of boxing for last few years, and thats why the sports popularity is absolutely plummeting stateside. If his mission was to effectively kill all enthusiasm for the sport and let ufc take over as the number 1 combat sport in usa, than congratulations Al, mission accomplished.

[hayZ]

I like the premise but PBC has had SO many mismatches, it's what has turned off a lot of people from Boxing. It's not about quantity, it's about quality. I think PBC is just fleecing networks with **** fights. If they had more competitive fights between the top names i.e. like Thurman/Porter, it'd be fantastic.

Al Haymon has inflated the market with getting fighters like Berto a million dollar paydays for fighting binmen. Look at what Eddie Hearn has been saying for a while now, American Boxing is going to struggle big time unless it sets more realistic expectations for everyone. They took and took so much out of the game for short term value/paydays and have damaged it long term. If you want to see it done right, look at what Eddie Hearn is doing with Matchroom and Sky across the UK. That's smart business.

[uppercut510]

if anyone wants to complain about boxing networks it should start with HBO, and how is he al gaymon when nobody has barely heard the man talk?

[The Big Dunn]

The theory was good. Bring boxing back to the mainstream, by showing world level boxing for free on TV. What was not to like? However, the execution has been flawed.

Rather than delivering consistent, competitive match ups, the PBC has become the butt of many jokes in boxing. PBC unfortunately has been associated with mismatches for its most protected fighters, with wilder v wawryzk and lara v foreman upcoming examples of this. The occasional competitive fight on paper has become the exception, not the rule.

Haymons control of US boxing has coincided with the exponential increase in popularity of the UFC, whilst viewing figures for boxing gets lower by the day. Although he is not the only major promoter at fault, haymon must take a large portion of the blame for the transition of boxing into a niche sport.

2016 was a disastrous year for haymon and the PBC, with dwindling figures as a result of one sided match ups. Much of the reported $500 million investment has been thrown away, and the purses for PBC fighters are now decreasing as the money is drying out.

With rumours that his flagship fighter errol spence is looking to leave, and james degale potentially off after the jack fight, its looking as if the foundations of PBC may be beginning to crack and it would be a surprise to see the organisation continuing past 2017.

So what are peoples thoughts on PBC? Has it been a positive influence on the sport, and has its mission objective been completed- to bring boxing back to the levels of mainstream popularity it once held?

I think original zero makes some solid points.

It seems that for people like you PBC is seen as a failure because it isn't perfect. Has it been great to this point-I would say no. Have mistakes been made-yes.

As of today, when you wrote this email, PBC/Haymon have the most boxing cards scheduled for the 1st quarter, have gotten showtime to pay them for fights, and have an upcoming schedule fights that appeals to every die hard fight fan except those that only choose to watch HBO exclusively.

It may not be perfect, but IMO its better than you present in the opening post.

[Mike D]

Props to Haymon for giving it a go and dreaming big, but let's face it, boxing ain't ever gonna work on mainstream, commercial TV. It's just not. The same people who didn't give a **** when boxing was just on the premium cable networks, are the same people that will flip by CBS or NBC or FOX or where the f**k ever when boxing is on and not even think twice about it.

Boxing's a niche sport and that won't change...not in our lifetime anyway.

[BrometheusBob.]

Props to Haymon for giving it a go and dreaming big, but let's face it, boxing ain't ever gonna work on mainstream, commercial TV. It's just not. The same people who didn't give a **** when boxing was just on the premium cable networks, are the same people that will flip by CBS or NBC or FOX or where the f**k ever when boxing is on and not even think twice about it.

Boxing's a niche sport and that won't change...not in our lifetime anyway.

I guess it depends on what you consider to be a success.

If success means nothing short of creating a UFC equivalent in the sport of boxing, then yeah PBC is not that. It probably will not ever be.

But I think the people who make all these threads saying things like Haymon and PBC are broke and everyone is cutting it's ties with them are not here with us in reality.

[al-Xander]

Let's see how it goes this year.