floyd mayweather jr- what more could he have done?

[Kigali]

Not knocking him but he should have fought PAC earlier. It's all good, Floyd is a special fighter and so is PAC

Pac turned down random testing in 09...put that on Pac...and Bob's temporary stadium.

[MurkaMan]

Except when their not

Man stop being silly. You didnt respond to not one thing I said. I spoke 100% facts, and no one wants to address them because when you do, your saying things about Floyd that we really dont want to admit.

That their is far too much distance between him, and everyone else. Not even close. Go away man we cant go back and forth forever, specially when your not saying anything!

No beef btw!

[djtmal]

Well yeah, they had "gone through the coals" if we are going by the same standard.

Mosley hadn't been stopped, had a close fight with a prime Cotto (no shame in that) and battered Margarito and was #1 WW and #3 P4P in the world. What's the difference between that and Hagler beating Duran?

Well, what are you defining as "beast mode" because if Duran was in "beast mode" when he fought Hagler then Pacquaio was definitely in "beast mode" in 2015 and still in beast mode today.

The fact of the matter is Leonard and Duran were no where near prime at that point and the closet to his prime was Hearns but wasn't at his optimal weight. Isn't that the exact same logic you're using to discredit Floyd's opponents?

This isn't a Hagler-Mayweather comparison I'm merely using the same logic for another fighter. Those fighters weren't at their peak when Hagler beat them. But, they were still top fighters though. That's my point. Mayweather beat some fighters who weren't at their peak but every one of them was still a top fighter and everyone of them was ranked #1 in the division except for Oscar.

....but Oscar, Cotto, Manny, maaaaybe Manny, but none of those guys are considered atg on the level of hearns, duran, and srl....

Dude you know full well that that logic holds no weight, because, outside of Sugar Ray, who was still prime @ 30 yrs old, Hagler fought all of those guys at the proper timelines and when the fights came up, there was no mindgames, or slick moves from Hagler to wait those cats out for bigger money, or if they lose a step, or none of the nonsense that Floyd is associated with and even Sugar Ray, out of his own mouth, admitted to seeing how Hagler looked sluggish in the Mugabi fight before getting serious about facing him.

Never in Hagler's career did he have the luxury of picking and choosing when was the best time to fight guys like Floyd did.

[IronDanHamza]

....but Oscar, Cotto, Manny, maaaaybe Manny, but none of those guys are considered atg on the level of hearns, duran, and srl....

Dude you know full well that that logic holds no weight, because, outside of Sugar Ray, who was still prime @ 30 yrs old, Hagler fought all of those guys at the proper timelines and when the fights came up, there was no mindgames, or slick moves from Hagler to wait those cats out for bigger money, or if they lose a step, or none of the nonsense that Floyd is associated with and even Sugar Ray, out of his own mouth, admitted to seeing how Hagler looked sluggish in the Mugabi fight before getting serious about facing him.

Never in Hagler's career did he have the luxury of picking and choosing when was the best time to fight guys like Floyd did.

It's nothing to do with Hagler's career man.

Yeah it is the proper timeline but the fact remains they weren't at their peak. Not a single one of them. But still top fighters, and very good wins. Thus my point.

Pick any ATG, the same can be said for the vast majority.

[djtmal]

It's nothing to do with Hagler's career man.

Yeah it is the proper timeline but the fact remains they weren't at their peak. Not a single one of them. But still top fighters, and very good wins. Thus my point.

Pick any ATG, the same can be said for the vast majority.

Oh yeah the same can be said for a lot of cats, but right now the subject is Floyd, and the ratio is way out of wack.

and the top fighter statement? You gotta be kidding me. That was 4, count em, 4 top tier atgs in the same era, going at each other in hindsight and you trying to downgrade them to just good fighters so it looks better for Floyd. Tommy Hearns, was at his absolute peak, when he poleaxed not just anybody, but a fellow top tier atg in Roberto Duran, then was looking at Hagler, and you want to say none of these guys were at their peak?. You must be on the payroll. Even if those guys were not at their absolute peak, they were still as close to their prime as Hagler could get them, and Hagler was older than all of those guys probably outside of maybe Duran.

Furthermore, I can't imagine, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, looking at how Hearns had just polaxed Duran, and stalling the fight for years because he believed Hearns was on something and Hearns refused to take a test. Hagler just said, next.

Hearns, Duran, Mugabi, those were career defining wins for Hagler sir, not just " very good wins" by no means.

Furthermore, certain logic just does not transfer over from era to era too good....

You slickly used Hagler's career timeline to defend Floyd's inconsistencies, and those two guys couldn't have had different career paths.

[Basco]

I read your post and you completely overlook the fact that his best win is a faded Pacquiao. It's a terrific win but it's almost 6 years after the fight should have been and 3 or so years after JMM already KOd Pac and drove him down the slope of an athlete's prime. Even then, if we are to say he beat the best version of Pac (which some will argue lol) the rest of his career doesn't stack up in quality to other greats.

This is very true but another way to see this, Mayweather also continue to age. He was no spring chicken what they fought and his skills were still sharp! His ability to fight with such amazing skills at that age only adds to his greatness.

[IronDanHamza]

Oh yeah the same can be said for a lot of cats, but right now the subject is Floyd, and the ratio is way out of wack.

and the top fighter statement? You gotta be kidding me. That was 4, count em, 4 top tier atgs in the same era, going at each other in hindsight and you trying to downgrade them to just good fighters so it looks better for Floyd. Tommy Hearns, was at his absolute peak, when he poleaxed not just anybody, but a fellow top tier atg in Roberto Duran, then was looking at Hagler, and you want to say none of these guys were at their peak?. You must be on the payroll. Even if those guys were not at their absolute peak, they were still as close to their prime as Hagler could get them, and Hagler was older than all of those guys probably outside of maybe Duran.

Furthermore, I can't imagine, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, looking at how Hearns had just polaxed Duran, and stalling the fight for years because he believed Hearns was on something and Hearns refused to take a test. Hagler just said, next.

Hearns, Duran, Mugabi, those were career defining wins for Hagler sir, not just " very good wins" by no means.

Furthermore, certain logic just does not transfer over from era to era too good....

You slickly used Hagler's career timeline to defend Floyd's inconsistencies, and those two guys couldn't have had different career paths.

Again, not comparing them.

Not bothered at all who is and isn't an ATG and who's wins were better. Not what I'm discussing.

Hearns wasn't at his peak at all. Not even close to be honest.

Duran and Leonard were WAY past their peak.

Hagler's fault? No. But the same can be said for some of Floyd's past prime opponents.

Fact of the matter is a lot of the above were still top fighters, despite not being in their peak. That's my point.

[soul_survivor]

This is very true but another way to see this, Mayweather also continue to age. He was no spring chicken what they fought and his skills were still sharp! His ability to fight with such amazing skills at that age only adds to his greatness.

I will not disagree. I wrote a long piece on Mayweather: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=686431

I mention his immense dedication to the craft and exceptional physical stamina (almost Bhop levels) but we come back to the reality of the situation. Pac has many more fights, many more tough fights and fighters with his style always age quicker.

May was far closer to his best years last year than Pac was to his. May should have won the fight much more dominantly and gone for the KO against a guy who barely threw combos after the 4th round. His own father was pissed off at him for playing it so safe.

Can you imagine other greats like Leonard or Oscar, what they would have done to such sub prime opponents?

[Basco]

I will not disagree. I wrote a long piece on Mayweather: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=686431

I mention his immense dedication to the craft and exceptional physical stamina (almost Bhop levels) but we come back to the reality of the situation. Pac has many more fights, many more tough fights and fighters with his style always age quicker.

May was far closer to his best years last year than Pac was to his. May should have won the fight much more dominantly and gone for the KO against a guy who barely threw combos after the 4th round. His own father was pissed off at him for playing it so safe.

Can you imagine other greats like Leonard or Oscar, what they would have done to such sub prime opponents?

I agree with you, sadly his limitations were in his own head!

[soul_survivor]

Again, not comparing them.

Not bothered at all who is and isn't an ATG and who's wins were better. Not what I'm discussing.

Hearns wasn't at his peak at all. Not even close to be honest.

Duran and Leonard were WAY past their peak.

Hagler's fault? No. But the same can be said for some of Floyd's past prime opponents.

Fact of the matter is a lot of the above were still top fighters, despite not being in their peak. That's my point.

LOL you never cease to amaze me rustydan

Hearns not close to his peak when he was just coming off a dominant championship run (how many rounds did he even drop at 154 outside of benitez?) and he was "Not even close to be honest."

lol you joker