Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Trainer: Canelo is The Fight That Should Happen Next

[Shadoww702]

we might get Golovkin/Charlo, Golovkin/Ramirez, and Golovkin/DeGale before we get Canelo/Golovkin

I would bet on GGG having a sex change before he moved up in weight. Ramirez??? DeGale??? Lol. U got JOKES!!!

[Ake-Dawg]

Different fights are expected to generate different revenues.

Payments and splits can only be meaningfully discussed in the context of the revenues expected for a given fight.

GGG Jacobs is a decent fight and will generate decent revenues so the argument is only about how to split decent money. For one of these guys to demand $15m for example would have been insane because the fight wouldn't make enough. And for one of them to offer the other $1m was insane because the fight was attractive enough - because of both fighters - to make enough for their respective contributions to be respected and pay more. Jcobs held out because he felt he was contributing enough to the revenues to deserve more than the 75/25 split and he may well have been right.

The reason $15m is not enough for GGG in a GGG Canelo fight is that this is seen as the biggest fight in boxing for next year. It is not the biggest fight because of Canelo, or because of GGG but because of the fact that it is BOTH these guys. They are both contributing to it being such a big money fight. You can argue Canelo is the A side, and I think that's fair. But to ignore GGG's contribution to making it a huge fight is just silly. You can't have a fight where the two guys make the fight a huge fight and then not respect that reality in negotiation of terms. Let's just imagine for a minute that this fight nets $100m to be distributed to the fighters. Is it fair to only pay GGG $15m? Is there any way that Canelo could make $85m without fighting GGG. Maybe, but it is one of the very small number of fights that can make him tens of millions of dollars. This reality has to be respected.

So to offer GGG $15m is not a serious offer and ODH knows it. This offer is just to stave off the anger of fans about Canelo being seen as ducking GGG.

Comments about how $15m is a lot of money and how GGG should just accept it are just naive. Sorry, but that's the truth of it. Yes, it's a lot of money. But such comments just betray a complete lack of understanding of the business. There are only two kinds of people who make these kinds of comments - trolls and business naifs.

You're logic is sound but a tad incomplete. How do you expect or even project the fight to net $100M?

[Shadoww702]

Different fights are expected to generate different revenues.

Payments and splits can only be meaningfully discussed in the context of the revenues expected for a given fight.

GGG Jacobs is a decent fight and will generate decent revenues so the argument is only about how to split decent money. For one of these guys to demand $15m for example would have been insane because the fight wouldn't make enough. And for one of them to offer the other $1m was insane because the fight was attractive enough - because of both fighters - to make enough for their respective contributions to be respected and pay more. Jcobs held out because he felt he was contributing enough to the revenues to deserve more than the 75/25 split and he may well have been right.

The reason $15m is not enough for GGG in a GGG Canelo fight is that this is seen as the biggest fight in boxing for next year. It is not the biggest fight because of Canelo, or because of GGG but because of the fact that it is BOTH these guys. They are both contributing to it being such a big money fight. You can argue Canelo is the A side, and I think that's fair. But to ignore GGG's contribution to making it a huge fight is just silly. You can't have a fight where the two guys make the fight a huge fight and then not respect that reality in negotiation of terms. Let's just imagine for a minute that this fight nets $100m to be distributed to the fighters. Is it fair to only pay GGG $15m? Is there any way that Canelo could make $85m without fighting GGG. Maybe, but it is one of the very small number of fights that can make him tens of millions of dollars. This reality has to be respected.

So to offer GGG $15m is not a serious offer and ODH knows it. This offer is just to stave off the anger of fans about Canelo being seen as ducking GGG.

Comments about how $15m is a lot of money and how GGG should just accept it are just naive. Sorry, but that's the truth of it. Yes, it's a lot of money. But such comments just betray a complete lack of understanding of the business. There are only two kinds of people who make these kinds of comments - trolls and business naifs.

And you have HBO doing the fight for FREE instead of their usual 50% right off the bat???
So your $100 mill is now $50 million. Who should take less than GGG then??? The actual PROMOTER or the A-Side of the fight Canelo???

[_Maxi]

Fight couldn't have happened next. Golovkin was ordered to fight his mandatory months ago and that fight is now signed.

WBA ordered Golovkin-Jacobs because Canelo-Golovkin wasn't made.







fool.

[Ake-Dawg]

That's because you don't understand basic principles like market value, or the concept of apples and oranges. Fighters deserve to be paid the market value percentage of the money they generate in a given matchup. Jacobs does not generate 3 mil which is why his asking price got criticized. GGG would generate much more than double 15 mil vs Canelo, not to mention getting a percentage is standard (even Jacobs gets a percentage vs GGG), so he doesn't deserve criticism for demanding a percentage when that is 100% normal in big PPV fights.

Is that NSB logic or just actual logic? If you have none, then obviously seeing some would confuse you. Doesn't make you right. How soon we forget we just went through this same dog and pony duck show with Floyd using the flat fee bull**** to duck Manny? You already forgot that?

Hell, I can play your dumb game back to you if you want, but instead I chose to just explain the whole situation and shut down your dumb comparison completely. But if you want, I'll use your exact format to turn around your dumb comparison and expose it for you. Here you go... First, what you said.



Now turning it around to show how dumb it is....



See how easy? So don't criticize the "NSB logic" of people like me when you're the one who clearly didn't think things through before posting.

Obviously someone thinks that Jacobs generates $3M otherwise the fight wouldn't have gotten made. I see the posture Jacobs took and the posture K2 is taking with GBP as the same. They both want to maximize their purses. Your value is what the promoters and networks are willing to pay you. Looks like plenty of NSB posters underestimated Jacobs value because he got what he was looking for.

[Robbie Barrett]

WBA ordered Golovkin-Jacobs because Canelo-Golovkin wasn't made.







fool.

That was before Golovkin-Brook was signed ******, when the WBA said the wouldn't call for the mandatory. Everyone knew Golovkin would have to fight his mandatory after Brook.

[Dreamking]

I'm not too dumb to realize that GGG is pricing himself out. The man turned down 15 mil without batting an eye. That don't have sh.it to do with Chavez Jr or the MW limit. But your obviously too dumb to realize that. But someone like Stevonson turns down a sh.tty offer for Kovalev and people spend the next 3 years killing him. I'm not dumb I can see the double standard just fine thanks.

So are you saying the Champion with 4 major titles should take 15%?

[Outwest Exp 355]

That's because you don't understand basic principles like market value, or the concept of apples and oranges. Fighters deserve to be paid the market value percentage of the money they generate in a given matchup. Jacobs does not generate 3 mil which is why his asking price got criticized. GGG would generate much more than double 15 mil vs Canelo, not to mention getting a percentage is standard (even Jacobs gets a percentage vs GGG), so he doesn't deserve criticism for demanding a percentage when that is 100% normal in big PPV fights.

Is that NSB logic or just actual logic? If you have none, then obviously seeing some would confuse you. Doesn't make you right. How soon we forget we just went through this same dog and pony duck show with Floyd using the flat fee bull**** to duck Manny? You already forgot that?

Hell, I can play your dumb game back to you if you want, but instead I chose to just explain the whole situation and shut down your dumb comparison completely. But if you want, I'll use your exact format to turn around your dumb comparison and expose it for you. Here you go... First, what you said.



Now turning it around to show how dumb it is....



See how easy? So don't criticize the "NSB logic" of people like me when you're the one who clearly didn't think things through before posting.

You are guessing. You can't know how much GGG vs Canelo can generate especially since boxing numbers are down across the board. And I understand what market value is just fine. Your market value is what someone is willing to pay you. And according to Golden Boy that number is 15 mil.

[Outwest Exp 355]

So are you saying the Champion with 4 major titles should take 15%?

The IBO is a major title now? And where are you getting this 15% from?

[_Maxi]

That was before Golovkin-Brook was signed ******, when the WBA said the wouldn't call for the mandatory. Everyone knew Golovkin would have to fight his mandatory after Brook.

Canelo could have fought Golovkin in 2016

PS: remember you are the ******