ward and chocolatito are cowards bcuz they want more $ in rematch 4 fights they won

[PK3434]

Why are you lumping them together? They're nothing alike.

Ward just fought for $5M in an event that lost a ton of money and is talking about retirement.

Chocolatito fought for $400K while headlining an HBO telecast and is not talking about retirement.

The two have absolutely nothing in common.

Exactly. Another ****** thread.

Gonzalez is just asking to get paid fairly in comparison to other fighters on hbo that do similar ratings.

Ward wants his promoter that is losing millions to lose millions more. Plus, he signed the rematch clause. At some point, he is going to have to realize that his signature and his word mean something. He is very unprofessional in that way.

[therealpugilist]

Exactly. Another ****** thread.

Gonzalez is just asking to get paid fairly in comparison to other fighters on hbo that do similar ratings.

Ward wants his promoter that is losing millions to lose millions more. Plus, he signed the rematch clause. At some point, he is going to have to realize that his signature and his word mean something. He is very unprofessional in that way.

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pro boxing=prizefighting dumb azz.....if you could negotiate a higher wage at your job, you wouldnt? man you are ******ed....its easy to whine and call fighters cowards sitting behind a keyboard

[therealpugilist]

Why are you lumping them together? They're nothing alike.

Ward just fought for $5M in an event that lost a ton of money and is talking about retirement.

Chocolatito fought for $400K while headlining an HBO telecast and is not talking about retirement.

The two have absolutely nothing in common.

so they dont have wanting MORE MONEY FOR A REMATCH IN COMMON....Damn bro....people on this forum...smdh....ive seen posters today calling these men cowards cuz they want moe $$$...thats pathetic

[Scipio2009]

Why are you lumping them together? They're nothing alike.

Ward just fought for $5M in an event that lost a ton of money and is talking about retirement.

Chocolatito fought for $400K while headlining an HBO telecast and is not talking about retirement.

The two have absolutely nothing in common.

What makes you think that Kovalev-Ward lost a ton of money? The live gate did $3.3m in Las Vegas, and the initial PPV number came in with revenues over $10.5m. You add that Sky Sports bought the UK TV rights, the fight was carried in Mexico on Televisa and for the rest of Latin America on Canal Indigo, the fight was aired on mainstream TV in Russia, and that the fight was on PPV in Canada, you're looking at the event likely doing over $20m in total revenues.

Main Events didn't make a ton of money, but to argue that the event lost money is a bit presumptuous.

Andre Ward won the fight, and he's simply demanding that that be acknowledged in any talks about a rematch; the longer Duva and Kovalev continue to disrespect the man, the worse these negotiations will be for them.

[sicko]

You call them Cowards I call them "SMART" I think Ward HBO Contract is UP and that was his last fight with HBO if I'm not mistaken yes he should negotiate to get a extenetion with HBO OR if Showtime comes with big money them jump over and fight Stevenson. Despite the bashing over a Decision he is not responsible for he is in a GREAT POSITION!

Same with Gonzalez, he took advantage of the opportunity that HBO gave him and became a fan favorite in the ring in short period of time and he can Draw on his own which is very impressive for his Division so yeah it is time to get paid.

None of us would turn down a promotion at our 9 to 5 Jobs "For The Sake of The Company" so don't tell boxers what they are or aren't worth we don't have that right to do so! We can give our Opinion absolutely but Opinions are just that...OPINIONS so fans think their Opinions are Facts and 99.9% of the time especially on this forum, they're NOT!

[Kigali]

problem is ward's fight lost money so its up to roc nation if they want to lose more. for people who want to see the rematch they should be begging roc nation to subsiize wards losses some more. no one else in boxing can do anything since other people in boxing want to make money(cept haymon)

You can't prove a word of it.

[Scipio2009]

first of all, how in the heck has this lie been accepted as fact?

OK,here are a few reasons why you guys are wrong..Ward got paid more because rocnation gave him more and that is really cool,but that fight didnt make any money,if anything it might lost some,but the problem here is that Ward have a rematch clause and according to people(and it makes sense) everything was stipulated in the contract,like how much each fighter would get paid,I in fact believe it because ward knew there was the possibility of losing.You cannot sign a contract and later change or modify the clause unless both parties agree,we all,know ward and his managment do that(hence him being out for few years)..Now for chocolatito,he is right to ask for more money,but how much more is fair?believe it or not,he is not well known,and if you go by numbers,hopkins got more views and bigger gate,has a 20+ carreer plus 20 defenses and he got paid 800K..makes sense?..The problem is the haymon/rocnation way of doing business,theyare making the fighters more money hungry but without bringing any revenue.

Main Events was the lead promoter for the event; the HBO deal went through Main Events, the MGM Resorts deal went through Main Events, the UK TV deal with Sky Sports went through Main Events, the Russian TV deal went through Main Events, the event sponsorship deals went through Main Events, etc.

In what world is Roc Nation going to commit to paying their fighter an amount that was literally more than double what Ward was ever paid on a fight without having any say in the actual running of the event and the event revenues?

For Main Events to have such control of the event, where Roc Nation seems to have hardly any say in any of the revenues/ points in the event, it is beyond obvious that Main Events cut Roc Nation a massive check on the front end to "show up and sit, while they put on the event they want to put on".

Ward/Roc Nation got their check on the front end, Kovalev/Duva got their own money from the revenues on the event, and Ward/Roc Nation would've seen another check only if the event turned out to be a blockbuster.

[TOBYLEE1]

LOL at calling these two fighters cowards when they fought the best opposition available.

The problem here that most would love the whole negotiation process be public so they can dissect it with their agenda.

An example like Arum, with every big fight that don't go his way he starts talking nonsense in public. Without him the Pac/Floyd fight got done easier.

[Finito2K]

both won exciting first fights with top opposition....the rematches will have more viewers, more gate $$ and more hype....the fights were exciting....how can a fighter be afraid of someone they already fought? Simply put, they deserve more money because everyone else involved will be getting more $$...common sense

“You never get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate. You got a right to say yay or nay.”
-Don King

[Real King Kong]

commenting in "******" threads makes you....um...******....you dudes suck at trolling bro...its the same posters whining and complaining about my thread topics...i see a thread i dont like...i scroll past....you see a "******" thread you post in it, without reading the OP and whining like a beotch.....news flash....you...dont...have....to.....post....in... .my...threads....der...der...dumbass bwahahahahahahahahahaha


pro boxing=prizefighting dumb azz.....if you could negotiate a higher wage at your job, you wouldnt? man you are ******ed....its easy to whine and call fighters cowards sitting behind a keyboard

So wait...someone makes a valid point and you call them a troll and say they shouldn't post in your thread? Is this thread only for people who agree with you then? He's right, the situations are different...you should start by refuting his point.